ETA on Advanced Class change?

One of your complaints is about a guardian tank flipping to sentinel dps? Really??? What's the difference between a guardian tank switching to focus dps and a guardian tank switching to a sentinel and speccing focus? You picked just about the worst example to make your case (the difference between guardian and sentinel is less than that of just about any other ac distinction). It sounds like you are grasping at straws. And remember, other games let you flip between all three roles as easily as most in this game can flip between 2 and it has not negatively impacted them.

I agree - it's such a foolish argument it's silly. They assume every player who would swap ACs is a complete moron who is lazy, greedy and too stupid to lean to fire 4 new specials. It's amazing how superior they feel they are for having ground the toon up from scratch...what a joke.

See I never said having a Guardian swap from DPS to DPS that was you putting words into my mouth. What I said was a guardian tank, who has leveled a tank, is used to tanking, jumping in, maintaining aggro etc. swapping to say combat sentinel DPS. New rotation, new skill set, and yes, totally new way of playing. Last thing we need is (more) sentinels thinking they are tanks and jumping in first, pulling aggro off the tanks (or before they can even get it) not killing adds not managing their own aggro, then complaining to the healer/tank that they don't know how to play.
Not saying every player will do it, just saying that given the option more than likely it will happen. And expecting someone to just swap rolls like they swap shoes is not realistic. Ever pick up an alt after 6 months of never playing it? I'm sentinel DPS and even swapping between watchman and combat is a pretty significant switch to do effectively. Sure you can do it, and probably suck at it for awhile, before you relearn the rotation. But if all you do is button mash who cares right. Its not affecting anyone but you ,oh except the group you are going with who expect you to know how to handle your character.

You can know the DPS mechanics of a fight fairly easily, but when you suddenly have to know how to tank it (not just hitting it with the pointy end, but also knowing when to swap, how to manage DPS etc). or healing and being able to predict where damage is going to be highest, where your placement should be etc.

a Melee DPS vanguard pounding on stormcaller and thinking they can suddenly start healing on firebrand. Or Sage healer on kephas in TFB thinking they can suddenly shadow tank with a flip of a switch are fairly delusional.

yeah you can probably be pulled though if rest of the team is good, but they can easily point out a players deficiencies as well. And pardon me if I expect people to actually know how to play their char especially if going to be playing a signfiicant role in a fight.

Why do you think we see all the "lfp please know fight" because we dont' necessarily want to spend all the time wiping when most would have it on farm.

Then form your own flipping group. Not everyone takes their gaming as seriously as you do. If the tank sucks because he was DPS 10 seconds ago, big freaking deal. If it makes him a happier player, I'm fine with it.

The problem is, it was said it will affect ONLY the person doing the change and nobody else. I was simply pointing out that in group content, everyone is expected to know and understand their roles. It affects me if I am GF into a HM flashpoint with a person having never played that char at level 55.

No dev EVER said they were "sure it'll eventually happen". You do like to put words into people's mouths, don't you?

Do you refer to the quote in which the term "likely happen eventually" is used? "likely happen eventually" is a far cry from "sure it'll eventually happen". There was NO time frame given in that quote, either.

Let's look at the entire quote:


Quote: Originally Posted by Dulfy and Damion Schubert
18. Will be there any faction or Advanced Class change option available for purchase in the future?

We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change option – I think that one will likely happen eventually. Species is likely as well. Doing a faction switch is considerably more difficult for us, though, due to the various quest flags set throughout the level up process, so this isn’t on the horizon anytime soon.


Do you see the part where he says species change is likely also? That has come to pass, but I'm sure you've noticed that they still do not allow CLASS CHANGES. If one takes the fact that one "likely" change has been implemented and one "likely" change (especially one that has as much potential to cost BW revenue as class changing probably would) has not, along with the fact that we have heard NOTHING further from the devs about class changing being implemented, one could easily infer that BW has no plans at this time of offering class changes.

Can they change their minds at any time? Yes, but so far I have not seen any indication that they will.

It DOES only impact that player - it's an MMO - the playerbase is ALWAYS in flux. Obviously YOU have an issue with that so find your best buds and stick to your little corner of the never changing game world where you never need to experience a new player again. What "I" play for an AC has NO impact on you at all!!!! Bad players will be bad, good will be good. Nothing changes because of an AC swap no matter how much you want to pretend it does.

Don't you mean flip flop between two classes to play to OP every time one gets nerfed?

Really? You actually have provided proof to the contrary...that line you quoted IS an indication they will.

Even if that is someones intention, why the hell do you care? Who are you dictate what AC someone plays? Get a grip...it's just a game dude.