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*** Bioware! Maybe you finally do something with you "kick system"?!

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*** Bioware! Maybe you finally do something with you "kick system"?!

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CaptRogue
11.01.2013 , 04:55 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by lexasaniaalex View Post
I am extremely disappointed ! I was kicked out of the group when we try to do flashpoint "Maelstrom Prison" second time ! The first time I got kicked out because of the fact that the members of my group could not fit the role, which I was not happy ! It is understandable, because dd can not focus , tank can't hold aggro , I was dying,spend money and time! This time I got kicked out because I refused skip last dialouge ! WHAT THE HELL ! Yeah, I do not want to skip this dialogue , because it's Revan ! Because this is story I'll be happy to listen every time I pass this flashpoint! Modify your system! I never took this step because of the injustice ! I just spent my time twice! Not only is the recently very hard to find a team through LFG , so more and I just wasting my time because some flawed people kick me and it contributes by the nearest herd ! I have a feeling that some bastards, who are changing games like gloves and came to SWTOR for a couple of weeks, are more important for you than people who are appreciating and enjoy your games from the start of their release ! Who appreciate your RPG, who love your storylines ! Do something ! Where is the justice?!
Ok OP, I have found a major flaw issue with your story & being "kicked". You said you were kicked for not skipping the cut scene that involved Revan, correct?
That particular scene is after the FP is OVER with. That's the end. When that scene is over, it's over. So once you finished watching your video, all of y'all should have gotten the completed FP screen.
You said they asked you, then kicked you. It didn't matter, unless you were not truthful with your story.

How did you know they were Russians too? Did they tell you they were Russians?

I agree with those who have posted, you really need to learn sentence structure & proper English at least. Your post reads very chaotic.

Quote: Originally Posted by disxion View Post
How did the group know that you weren't skipping the dialogue? There's no way to know who isn't skipping, so if a group insists on skipping and you don't want to, just pretend that you are skipping. Sure it gets a bit awkward when everyone starts blaming each other for not skipping, but unless they are extreme, they'll give up trying to find out who the non-skipping culprit is and just deal with the dialogue.

A majority vote is a legitimate way to conduct the kick system, there really isn't any other practical way to conduct the kick system.
Actually you can. You can see the little character faces to the left of your screen. And when they all spacebar out & it still says waiting for group members, you know someone did not skip.
Not that it's right to kick someone for not skipping. That's complete bullcrap there.
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XDoggStrafe
11.01.2013 , 05:41 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRogue View Post
Not that it's right to kick someone for not skipping. That's complete bullcrap there.
I agree, but only if the -group- you're with had decided on not skipping. Put it this way, you're running a flashpoint, everyone agrees ahead of time to skip any unnecessary fights/scenes, as they're just in this for the loot/weekly mission as it's everyones Nth time through. Suddenly, at the midway point after that first boss, a cutscene pops up. Everyone already agreed to skip it, yourself included. But now, I dunno, DarthBob the DPS is refusing to skip because "I like this scene, it has my favorite character in it!" well... what to do? He's going against the rules you all agreed upon before starting. You all let it slide, next group of enemies comes up and Bob once again does something counter to the groups agreement, he pulls a mob of enemies to him. You all have to stop, fight, and waste more time (and now credits too) fighting these trash mobs. Whatever, move along, you get to the third cutscene and -again- Bob refuses to skip. He's said he's seen this flashpoint a million billion times, but he doesn't care, he -likes- this scene. It has his -second- favorite character. I'd say vote kicking Bob sounds fair then. Sure, he skipped cutscene 2, and the opening scene. But he also has proved to be a detriment to the wishes of the group. So it's only right to kick him. It's the same as kicking a random member for rolling need on gear they can't use, pulling mobs, being undergeared, wrong spec'd, or whatever else reason you want to come up with. Bioware may have coded in the cutscenes, and the option to roll need on everything, but they also coded in the ability to skip and kick people at will. Basically leaving it up to us to decide how we'd play things.

TL;DR version - It's perfectly ok to kick someone who's a detriment to a group if you all agreed before killing things on what the plan was (which takes all of 30 seconds or so). And that the system works the way it's intended. Giving us the choice to play the way we wish to play.
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HelinCarnate
11.01.2013 , 06:24 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by lexasaniaalex View Post
This system is not problem for you and the same players. I never initiate kick. But I have the problem. You kicked other people but its normaly for you. No commemts anymore.
Yup, I will initiate a kick for someone rolling need on gear that is not for their class after they have been warned. I will kick someone for going into queue as a tank but they don't bother to go into their tank stance after being asked. I will kick a tank who is undergeared for the task at hand (if you want to tank HM lvl 55 you should not be wearing mostly lvl 47 gear). Have also kicked healers that think they are DPS and cause others to get killed because they are not healing. Have kicked DPS that just use their 1 basic attack over and over while they still have full energy.

In every case I explained what the problem was before they were kicked and offered a solution to that problem. If you want to watch the cutscene every time, you should consider grouping with other people that wish to do the same instead of random pugs. After watching the same thing a few hundred times, most of us want to skip past the dialog and get it over with but are understanding if someone says it is their first time running the FP. If you are in a random pug and at least 2 of the people want to skip the dialog, then it is probably best to do so or expect to get the boot.

And its not that you have the problem, you are the problem and refuse to accept it.

Also cute how since I disagree with you, you seem to think that I don't get to talk anymore. Not how discussion forums work.
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disxion
11.01.2013 , 09:33 PM | #64
If the OP's story is true; i.e. that he skipped all the dialogue but didn't skip the last one and was kicked for it, then I feel sorry for him.

I disagree with many posters here who suggest that this is okay behaviour. The length of one strip of dialogue is at most two minutes. It really isn't that long to wait if one person in the group wants to listen to the dialogue because its their first time, or they just like it. Kicking players out at the end of a flashpoint, during the final dialogue, means they just wasted their whole time playing that flashpoint. And they could have been waiting in group finder for a substantial amount of time as well.

Kicking players because they roll need in gear they don't need, or they are playing their role badly is justified. But kicking people for not skipping dialogue is just silly. The total time of Maelstrom Prison's cutscenes comes to just over 4 minutes. And Maelstrom Prison is on the cutscene heavy side of flashpoints. Kicking players who are first-timers or enjoy the dialogue because you have to wait at most 4 minutes is pretty petty. Especially if its at the end of a flashpoint.

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RandomXChance
11.01.2013 , 10:36 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Suilebhain View Post
There should be a point beyond which you can no longer Kick someone. As the OP described, they were at the end of the FP, which probably took an hour or more to complete. To kick him because he wants to watch the end scene is LAME and people who cannot understand this are either DENSE (because they cannot understand) or *****HATS (because they would do the same thing themselves). Saying that he should just team with friends is a bit naive. Many of us do not have game friends that we can freely call upon when we want to play a flashpoint. even if you are in a guild, many times other people have already completed it and have no interest in doing it again. it is a serious investment of time which he was robbed of by the JO's who tossed him out of the group for participating in something the dev's intentionally put into the game - the dialogue.

Sorry, bro. You took your complaint to a mostly uncaring, ignorant tribunal. Hat's off to those who did understand his plight. People interested in story (or roleplaying) are becoming rare these days, people who just want the loot are in the vast majority.

451, anyone?
While some people have responded that he deserved to be kicked, my original post and many others here were addressing the purported point of this thread as stated in the title.
"
*** Bioware! Maybe you finally do something with you "kick system"?!
"

Our points were that while the system has flaws, and like any system some will abuse, no realistic suggestions are out there for improving it. When people are a genuine impediment to the group through gear, greed or attitude, there needs to be a mechanism to remove them. Making it a 2/3 majority of remaining players is balanced.

I have twice done what you are talking about in removing someone from the group right at the end for maximum waste of their time. After they needed on literally every item that dropped and were warned twice, I whispered the others that we would boot at the last second (may as well since most gear was already dropped anyway).

Your offense sounds nowhere close to that, but people do it to get maximum frothy rage out of the person kicked for a little revenge (or in the case of your Russians, probably for malicious laughs).

I do not imagine the system will change, so just move on and enjoy the game again.

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Mallorik
11.01.2013 , 10:58 PM | #66
I really think they need to just remove the story stuff from hm, if you're doing hm you've seen the story, if you want to see the story go do sm.

Sometimes I like the story but its sooo frustrating when youre trying to get a quick fp done and you get an esseles with someone who wants to watch all the cutscenes lol/

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Blackardin
11.01.2013 , 11:27 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by lexasaniaalex View Post
I am extremely disappointed ! I was kicked out of the group when we try to do flashpoint "Maelstrom Prison" second time ! The first time I got kicked out because of the fact that the members of my group could not fit the role, which I was not happy ! It is understandable, because dd can not focus , tank can't hold aggro , I was dying,spend money and time! This time I got kicked out because I refused skip last dialouge ! WHAT THE HELL ! Yeah, I do not want to skip this dialogue , because it's Revan ! Because this is story I'll be happy to listen every time I pass this flashpoint! Modify your system! I never took this step because of the injustice ! I just spent my time twice! Not only is the recently very hard to find a team through LFG , so more and I just wasting my time because some flawed people kick me and it contributes by the nearest herd ! I have a feeling that some bastards, who are changing games like gloves and came to SWTOR for a couple of weeks, are more important for you than people who are appreciating and enjoy your games from the start of their release ! Who appreciate your RPG, who love your storylines ! Do something ! Where is the justice?!
If not you, it was someone just like you that I've grouped with. Are you a tank? I do not have many bad experiences in this game, and I've only had one really bizarre one....which was with the guy that you sound like. Was just wondering.
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Blackardin
11.01.2013 , 11:31 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Group with friend, not strangers then. Grouping with strangers in MMOs is always a crap shoot. Sorry.. but that's just the way it is. And Vote_Kick is there for a reason and it works on a majority vote and the target cannot vote if I recall correctly.

If your friends Vote_Kick you.. then you have some quality self-reflection time coming.

PS: when you group with strangers... and then do something they do not agree to (no matter how noble or benign) they have a right to Vote_Kick you. That's a good reason to play with friends.. they are more tolerant toward you then a stranger.
It would all be alot easier if people were not so emotionally overcharged and ceased worrying about something so piddly as dying on a run, or watching a video that takes about a minute. Not to insult anyone, but I do sometimes wonder how people would survive if they faced a true crisis in their lives. For me its downtime, there is no way I'm going to get my blood pressure up over it. LOL
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lexasaniaalex
11.01.2013 , 11:37 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
No. I do not think I am better than those people. I know it.

When I tank, I am of the appropriate spec and in gear that's made for tanks. It has stuff like Defense and Shield on it instead of stuff like Power and Crit. I hold aggro on mobs and I know my way through the instances.

When I heal, I am of the appropriate spec and in gear that's made for healers. It has stats on it like Critical and Alacrity instead of Defense. I keep the tank up (as long as he's actually a tank) and have plenty of time and skill to keep the DPS alive unless they're insanely stupid.

I never roll NEED on anything that does not immediately improve my character. Even if the gear is an upgrade, if I'm too low to use it, it's GREED.

So, yeah, I'm much better than those mouthbreathers.
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lexasaniaalex
11.01.2013 , 11:40 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRogue View Post
Ok OP, I have found a major flaw issue with your story & being "kicked". You said you were kicked for not skipping the cut scene that involved Revan, correct?
That particular scene is after the FP is OVER with. That's the end. When that scene is over, it's over. So once you finished watching your video, all of y'all should have gotten the completed FP screen.
You said they asked you, then kicked you. It didn't matter, unless you were not truthful with your story.

How did you know they were Russians too? Did they tell you they were Russians?

I agree with those who have posted, you really need to learn sentence structure & proper English at least. Your post reads very chaotic.



Actually you can. You can see the little character faces to the left of your screen. And when they all spacebar out & it still says waiting for group members, you know someone did not skip.
Not that it's right to kick someone for not skipping. That's complete bullcrap there.
Omg. I think you need learn how understand what you read. I dont need advice of english teacher. Really. I repeat again - they press esc and kick me. So simple. Who said that Im russian? I understand that cause i know that their guilds from Russia. So, I repeat again - this posy not gor genius like you. This post for BW. I dont need your advice. Bb.
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