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Fevee
10.30.2013 , 05:34 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Justcae View Post
Neg. You want to change an environment to suit your needs, wants, and desires. When in reality its perfectly fine the way it is.
To those who commented between my last post and this one: You're overestimating the amount of change that would occur here. I don't see any negative impact at all. There won't be much change, period. You act like I'm trying to change the forest into a meadow.

This is a small change that you won't even notice, unless you're one of those people who go miles out of their way to poach low-level players; those are the only people who should be opposing this idea.

If you're going to miss one-shotting lowbies so much, just move up and find someone it only takes ten shots to kill.

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trueKieran
10.30.2013 , 06:51 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Fevee View Post
This is a small change that you won't even notice, unless you're one of those people who go miles out of their way to poach low-level players; those are the only people who should be opposing this idea.
Even if only some of those peope you're referring to don't see a point anymore in choosing a PvP server because of this, we all will notice. Besides this behaviour is "normal" or at least not unexpected in "PvP enabled zones" and on PvP servers since the days of Ultima Online for goodness sake and entire gamer generations worked with it. Why do you need a special treatment here?

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Fevee
10.30.2013 , 07:17 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by trueKieran View Post
Even if only some of those people you're referring to don't see a point anymore in choosing a PvP server because of this, we all will notice. Besides this behavior is "normal"...
It's sad that that behavior is considered normal. And how will we all notice the difference? Does absolutely everyone go out of their way to bring misery to players who can't defend themselves? I, for one, don't get satisfaction from picking on players so low. I've meet other players in-game who feel the same way. A few victim players have mentioned on this very thread that they've completely given up on PvP because of the abuse mentioned.

There's more reason to support this suggestion than oppose it.

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trueKieran
10.30.2013 , 07:48 PM | #64
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It's sad that that behavior is considered normal.
It's also sad that we have no chance for world peace, but you just have to work with reality as it is.

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And how will we all notice the difference?
Say do you even read what people write here or do you just like to keep asking the same questions? If those people don't feel "at home" anymore on PvP servers, some of them will start to roll on PvE servers, and you will notice that difference, because they are a very vocal crowd, not to mention the behavior some of them have in groups and so on.

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Fevee
10.30.2013 , 09:31 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by trueKieran View Post
It's also sad that we have no chance for world peace, but you just have to work with reality as it is.
The difference between the real world and here is that programmers can change the digital world as they see fit. So your comparison is void.

Quote: Originally Posted by trueKieran View Post
Say do you even read what people write here or do you just like to keep asking the same questions? If those people don't feel "at home" anymore on PvP servers, some of them will start to roll on PvE servers, and you will notice that difference, because they are a very vocal crowd, not to mention the behavior some of them have in groups and so on.
So what are you saying? The bullies are going to leave because they can't bully anymore? How is that a bad thing?

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Orangeclock
10.31.2013 , 12:10 AM | #66
I like the idea of a higher level player getting a stackable debuff that weakens them slightly but ever-increasingly for initiating combat and killing a player say 15+ levels below them.

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trueKieran
10.31.2013 , 04:27 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Fevee View Post
The difference between the real world and here is that programmers can change the digital world as they see fit. So your comparison is void.



So what are you saying? The bullies are going to leave because they can't bully anymore? How is that a bad thing?
The only thing void here is your interpretation. We could theoretically achieve world peace any day, we only have to stop fighting, it's just highly unrealistic to bank on it. And the programmers can't change such behavior unless they turn all PvP servers into PvE servers, they can just sanction it. Besides the point wasn't that it would be impossible to change, but instead that there's no point in whining about something being the way it is if it being any other way was highly unlikely from the beginning.

You're really not very observant. If you had payed any attention at all to what I wrote, you should have been able to conclude by now that I play on a PvE server today, meaning for me the bullies wouldn't leave, they would start showing up in greater numbers. Do I also have to elaborate on why that's a bad thing for me and the rest of the PvE players or will you be able to put that together yourself? Here's another help, in case you want to come up with not understanding why I came up with this now, remember you said:

Quote: Originally Posted by Fevee View Post
This is a small change that you won't even notice, unless you're one of those people who go miles out of their way to poach low-level players; those are the only people who should be opposing this idea.

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Fevee
10.31.2013 , 12:08 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by trueKieran View Post
The only thing void here is your interpretation. We could theoretically achieve world peace any day, we only have to stop fighting, it's just highly unrealistic to bank on it. And the programmers can't change such behavior unless they turn all PvP servers into PvE servers.
Saying the sky is not and never will be purple in the real world is one thing. But in the digital world of this game, the programmers can make it purple if they want to. Thus, a simple change can occur. No, the programmers can't change such behavior, but they can discourage it.

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If you had payed any attention at all to what I wrote, you should have been able to conclude by now that I play on a PvE server today, meaning for me the bullies wouldn't leave, they would start showing up in greater numbers.
You're just not making sense. On PvE servers, you can have yourself unflagged. So said bullies can't even touch you. So tell me how the discouragement of poaching low-levels makes more poachers come? If they already can't do it on PvE servers, and it's suddenly become harder to do on PvP servers, then the numbers of such occurrences should simply dwindle.

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trueKieran
10.31.2013 , 12:24 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Fevee View Post
You're just not making sense. On PvE servers, you can have yourself unflagged. So said bullies can't even touch you. So tell me how the discouragement of poaching low-levels makes more poachers come? If they already can't do it on PvE servers, and it's suddenly become harder to do on PvP servers, then the numbers of such occurrences should simply dwindle.
That is because you apparently think that killing low-levels is their only hobby, it's not. Those folks are into all kinds of trouble or as someone already put it "nicely" here, starting conflict. We'll have more jerks in groups, more trash talk in the chat, more people trying to disturb RP on RP servers and so on. Sure we already have that to a degree, but nothing like it would be if those people go to other servers too, because hunting low-levels becomes less fun on PvP servers. Already as it is now, in most games with RP-PvP servers alot of them chose those servers simply because they expect the "RP folk" to be an easier target, not because they like RP and nothing seems more fun to them than managing to start killing folks right in a middle of their own RP Event.

Having those kind of people go right for the PvP servers is a blessing for everyone who's not into that and knows better than to make a char there.

I have now made several attempts to make you understand and elaborated on just about everything I said in my original post, if you still don't understand, I'm sure I won't be able to make you understand in the future either, so there's no point in trying to, especially since I have no intentions to further bump this thread.

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Fevee
11.01.2013 , 11:49 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Justcae View Post
Right so you have 55's and you can't deal with someone killing one of your many alts. Good game.
It's the principle of the matter. Why do we have to have this behavior when it can be deterred?

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Having those kind of people go right for the PvP servers is a blessing for everyone who's not into that and knows better than to make a char there.
So you admit there's trash. But as long as it can be shoveled over to the other guy's side of the yard, you're happy. I, on the other hand, am trying to clear the trash out, entirely. And you seem to be afraid that that'll cause the trash to roll back into your side of the yard.