Patch 2.5

face it your not an operative/scoundrel so nerf u get

Yes, and channeling an AoE skill is rocket science. The fact that smash based build have a simpler mechanic does not make them overpowered, unless you're inferring that all other classes are so difficult to play in comparison that they're impossible to handle by the average gamer (and we're not talking about playing "perfectly", as only a small percentage of the actual player base reaches such proficiency).

Why do you say that carnage spec is op, when it's highest single target DPS "assuming everything procs" is around 3600 DPS, and AP PT, an AOE spec, can do 3200 single target DPS. By definition, AP PT can do much more DPS than carnage spec. If you say burst, then you are incorrect. Carnage spec's burst is easy to deny, by stunning the first gore, using a knockback on the second gore, and using dodge/reflection/force speed on the third gore.

I've never said they are overpowered only they are more accessible.
It's the PvP environment that make them strong as players tend to cluster close to each other making Smashers effective (again not OP). I think they are actually pretty weak 1v1.
Here's a tip. If you're seeing smasher leaping to you use your knock back/ force,tech damage resilience skill. There is a 90% chance smash will come right after and by doing this you will force a smasher to burn his cd neglecting his damaged by a lot.

Yes because in team team wz or arena play everyone is watching what one carnage marauder on the team is doing all the time and completely IGNORING what the other players on the team are doing (because thats what they'd have to do to complete mitigate all there burst windows)...
Carnage is great in well organised teams.

Healers are watching. On my sorc, carnage marauder is one of the easiest specs to heal through. Vengeance juggernaut, ironically, can be the most difficult to heal through, because a lot of their damage is not dependent on a gimmicky proc.

heh

You know what's also funny, AP's burst is just as easy to shut down but, unlike carnage, has a gigantic "I'm channeling my AOE.. stun me now plz" plastered above their head.

Lol obviously never healed through a guy that knows how to play carnage then.
Cause a big heap of vengeance's dmg totally isnt based on a proc right?
Carnage may be proc dependent but its fairly unpredictable in that respect, smashers are easier to heal through then a GOOD carnage since the dmg is way more predictable.

Problem with carnage is that since 2.0 hit it actually takes a little bit of awareness watching your procs etc and takes a little practice to play correctly hence many players are quick to dismiss it as bad because it doesn't have the easy predictable rotation/priority system of rage spec. People that do try it keep trying to play it like it like pre 2.0 without reading up on the changes in the spec, then in the process pooping (intentional) off loads of screams/blade storm without proc and getting execute proc without already using gore/precision (then getting stunned when they use gore and having to wait for another window) then they think.. "damn this sux" and respec back to ez mode rage.

Played well with the right comp carnage slays.

OH BTW no good team focuses a marauder/sentinel first unless there is 2 to maybe bait a guard switch from the healer.. so the cd changes won't make that much of a difference since its pretty much a last resort at clutch moments.

just counting the common situation of tank+healer vs u - you´ll face 3 stuns (one on a 30sec CD) 2 mezzes, a knockback, dodge on a 30sec timer , and vanish. thats more than enough options to shut your main dmg window (60% of your dmg are generated in that window) down.

I disagree with Hayley more often than not (mostly because he/she comes across as snoody) but he/she is not wrong.

Yes, Vigilance is proc based.. however our burst windows are not 4.5 seconds, and we have much more flexibility and can deliver burst (ZOMG.. Vig with burst? It's true..) on demand.

Carnage: Procs dictate burst
Vigilance: Burst on demand

see?