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Assassin Tanking Relics (2.5 Upcoming changes)

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Assassin Tanking Relics (2.5 Upcoming changes)

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SithTyre
10.30.2013 , 03:05 PM | #11
While restricting them to PVP only (the PVP relics) would definately make it much harder to get those great RW relics, It would suck for me personally to get the PVE one since I'm getting charlie-bravo'd left and right by my dps and my healers ganking the PVE dread Forged as soon as it drops! While the PVP one is easier to get - 700 reg wz coms for conquerer, then 1300 ranked for the upgraded; WZs still suck grinding to get the comms to get the relic. I currently despise PVP

I used to be all PVP, elite warlord all elite warlord gear, then the gimp to the WZ gear and I pretty much said F-you bioware wasting my time in this time sink game only to make me timesink more into the new stuff. Dumped PVP and went staright PVE. I only did it recently to get the new relics as fast as possible without waiting to clear stuff for the PVE ones, actually its easier to get the PVE relic than the PVP from my perspective depending on your Op group. If your OP group blows, then ya suck it up and get to PVPing.

Ultimately fair is fair, if the PVE ones don't proc in PVP, seems right to have the PVP ones only proc in PVP...

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Ancaglon
10.31.2013 , 01:44 AM | #12
Actually, we've been here before with PVP relics -- remember that the War Hero/Elite War Hero relics that had large, fixed amounts of Defense, Shield or Power were BiS for a fair while prior to 2.0.

Anyhow, I had almost enough unranked and ranked saved up (probably mostly from before 2.0, I haven't PVP'd much on my Shadow since then) and I just got the daily done to get enough ranked that I didn't have to "waste" regular comms to get the Obroan relic of Reactive Warding last night.

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Botho
11.04.2013 , 10:31 AM | #13
I thought the generally agreed idea is that this RW relic will be if better so absolutly invisibly small in difference that it makes no difference between it and the Shield applification one.

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Jaspless
11.05.2013 , 08:12 AM | #14
Thanks guys.

So I understand in the entirety of the fight the RW relic is best, but I think I've decided to use my DF Fortunate Redoubt, then switch between either Shrouded Crusader or Imperiling Serenity depending on the fight. I feel having an extra CD to pop on those "Oh crap" moments may be more useful for my Assassin than negating 1,300 dmg every 40 seconds.

I do appreciate all the info you guys have given me!

Tye
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_REDRUM_
11.12.2013 , 04:08 PM | #15
I have 2 questions. (Doesn't want to start new thread)

1. Would Obroan RW and Dread Forged RW stack? (a.k.a. don't share internal cd)
2. Which one is better between Obroan RW and Conqueror RW?
(Optional) Pre 2.5, Is healing relic still viable for shadow tank? I have Kell Dragon healing relic so I don't know if I should switch it out.

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dipstik
11.13.2013 , 02:05 PM | #16
i think they fixed the stacking of RW in the past patch. oberon is better. until 2.5 healing relic is still viable.

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Zoom_VI
11.13.2013 , 03:42 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by KeyboardNinja View Post
I'd really like to see them restrict PvP relics to just warzones. After all, PvE relics don't work in PvP.
What if us PvP'ers want to run some dailies, flashpoints, or maybe some ops? I get where you coming from with PvE relics not working, but then again they could never make expertise potent enough to nullify PvE relics becoming BiS for PvP.
Crinn

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steave
11.13.2013 , 03:55 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
What if us PvP'ers want to run some dailies, flashpoints, or maybe some ops? I get where you coming from with PvE relics not working, but then again they could never make expertise potent enough to nullify PvE relics becoming BiS for PvP.
What if us PvE'ers want to run some warzones? Why should you be able to switch freely without having to change relics, while we can't? Our relics doesn't work at all in your content so we have to get a separate set, there's no reason for you not having to do the same.
Either make them not work when inside a phase (could make it whenever you're not in a WZ, but that would prevent them from being used in open world PVP too), or simply nerf them to be slightly weaker than arkanian relics, just like the rest of the gear. Since PVE relics don't work at all, they'll still be BiS for PVP.

With only 1 relic dropping/week, it's gonna take 16 weeks to get a raid group fully geared with them, and until then oberoan is best for the second slot, which is just as stupid as you PVPers having to get dread forged to use in warzones.

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Zoom_VI
11.14.2013 , 11:07 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by steave View Post
What if us PvE'ers want to run some warzones? Why should you be able to switch freely without having to change relics, while we can't? Our relics doesn't work at all in your content so we have to get a separate set, there's no reason for you not having to do the same.
Either make them not work when inside a phase (could make it whenever you're not in a WZ, but that would prevent them from being used in open world PVP too), or simply nerf them to be slightly weaker than arkanian relics, just like the rest of the gear. Since PVE relics don't work at all, they'll still be BiS for PVP.

With only 1 relic dropping/week, it's gonna take 16 weeks to get a raid group fully geared with them, and until then oberoan is best for the second slot, which is just as stupid as you PVPers having to get dread forged to use in warzones.
Kell dragon and Dread Forged relics are BiS in PvE period. If you make them function in PvP they will most likely become BiS in PvP. Now tell me do you have to do PvP to get dread forged? So why should I have to do PvE to get BiS for PvP.

PvP relics work outside of warzones, because
  1. OW-PvP happens
  2. They are never going to be BiS for PvE anyway.
  3. PvP'ers do have to run dailies you know.
Crinn

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Yossariank
11.16.2013 , 06:54 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by dipstik View Post
i think they fixed the stacking of RW in the past patch. oberon is better. until 2.5 healing relic is still viable.


Clarify for me:

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Effects no longer trigger simultaneously when the following relics equipped at the same time:

Focused Retribution
Ephemeral Mending
Fortunate Redoubt
Reactive Warding
Shield Amplification
Devastating Vengeance
Serendipitous Assault
Just means I can't use two of the SAME proc relic and get double procs, right? RW + FR = still good? Or does "shares this limit with similar defensive effects" mean that RW, FR, and shield amp all share the same proc cd because they're all defensive? I'd almost rather toss an old EWH back in instead of deal with the clicky aspect of a shrouded crusader or the def one.