What went wrong during April - July?

a. i posted a quote from scorpienne where she said her numbers are no longer valid as of september of last year. (it's not a "6" when it's upside down). if she posted a thread more recent than september, it was not linked by andryah. andryah linked a thread from june. as i said before, i trust scorpienne and if she has any corroborating evidence i would gladly consider it.

b. are you talking about this thread or the one from june or the one from september? the data from june was rendered obsolete. i have nothing against those people, but the conclusion they came to changed.

c. the trend says there are less people logging in, if you base it on the lines that torstatus has. i have no opinion as to whether that trend is significant or permanent. if you're saying that the line on torstatus suggests something other than a trend of less people logging in, your either reading wrong or lying to yourself. based on pasts posts by andryah, i would say lying to support of broken ideology is fairly typical and it's not a far fetched assumption to make.

it's not a candlestick graph that represents a range. the spikes occur when more people log in on a given day, typically higher on weekends. there is a dot for every day, and that dot is based on the average for that day.

I did see that but I believe it's a flawed assumption - 2.4 was a HUGE PvE patch, 2 new level 55 Operations PLUS a new Daily area PLUS PvP Arenas...that's much more than Makeb offered...where was the "surge" of players or the longer sustained playing time with all that new content? We got more in 2.4 than we did in a paid expansion...shouldn't there have been a boost?

Here's some "hard data" for you.

For the 8 N.A. servers to have 100k concurrent players, which is 25k below what you stated yesterday...

100k/8 = 12,500 players per server, or 6,250 per faction.

To meet that number...

You claimed yesterday that there are 4-5 full instances of Fleet on your server. So fine, let's say that means...

5 full fleets = 1000 people

That leaves 5,250 players elsewhere, per faction.

There are 18 planets, but let's call it 20 to accommodate FP's and other instances.
5,250/20 = 262.5 players per "planet", per faction.

For some actual data, here are some actual numbers from Ebon Hawk last night at around 8:00PM central....

Republic fleet: 2 instances totalling 297 people or 29.7% of the needed 1000
Imperial fleet: 2 instance totalling 292 people or 29.2% of the needed 1000

Random Republic Planet populations:
- Coruscant, 2 instances totalling 173 people
- Nar Shaddaa, 2 instances totalling 92 people
- Hoth, 1 instance with 43 people

Random Imperial Planet populations:
- Dromund Kaas, 2 instances totalling 192 people
- Tatooine, 2 instances totalling 75 people

So unless there is one planet that consistently has 3000 people on it, there's no chance of an average being anywhere close to 262.

Yes, EH is an RP server, it's also usually busier than the other RP server. Together they account for 25% of all N.A. servers. To reach 100k, again 25k lower than you claimed yesterday, the other servers would need to average significantly higher than 1000 on fleet and 262.5 on planets.

It's not rocket science.

What is the purpose of this thread exactly? I mean who cares about the number of players remaining. As long as there is enough to keep it profitable that's fine. So let just enjoy the game regardless.

Good point...now go buy your in-game pumpkin chamber thing.

If the parameters had in fact been revised upwards in September, that would suggest we were underestimating concurrents, not overestimating them. Again, this is irrelevant to your claims of falsehood and data manipulation. No one has tried to use Scorpienne's data to say anything besides the same thing we can see with the trends.

C. I don't think anyone has really disagreed on this point. The trend shows less concurrents relative to our powerful upwards trends leading up and for a short time after Makeb. Andryah has only been analyzing the trend to say that this is probably not a new strong loss streak like between 1.2 and 1.4, but rather a normalization after the excitement of f2p and the expansion.

I'm happy to debate analysis with everyone here, but I don't think anyone has been making any intentionally misleading statements of supposed fact in this thread, so I'd prefer if we didn't question each others' integrity while trying to hold a discussion.

B.S.M.

Bull **** Mitigation

Precisely, I can imagine a scenario where over 750K players are playing but servers status barely go beyond "Standard". The issue is that we don't really know how long on average people spend online. And concluding server population from "STATUS" is very dependent on the value of average time spent and its variance. Meaning any analysis not taking into account that factor is false.

Edit: That's not the only problem, I can list several other things that would make any analysis of that sort moot.

I did, picked up 3. What I do with them will probably vary. Might just keep one, probably put one in a guild auction for future or sell two on the GTN in near future.

Or worst case have 3 of them sitting around and use em. Either way, no harm has come to anyone with my purchase of said item.

What pumpkin thingy? Is that a prop for Halloween or something?