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exploration versus winning


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peterjohndevries
10.28.2013 , 07:29 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Qvasar View Post
Well most people are fine with "exploring", on the first couple weeks after new content is released, after that it's just an excuse for being lazy.
fortunately, or unfortunately, old content is new for our tiny guild...we manage to get 8 of us on at same time maybe once a week and we all just rejoined so we have 5 or 6 HM flashpoints and 4+ ops to get through on various difficulty levels....at this rate, we might get through everything once by next major expansion - into space!

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MeNaCe-NZ
10.28.2013 , 07:43 PM | #12
I find a little exploration/discission etc. can be a good thing.

I pugged into a guild run of 16M DP SM the other night and when we hit dread council then things went down hill, the guild I think were inexperienced which is cool so were getting advice on the fight from another pug form another guild and that's where things went downhill ... the advice was clearly wrong and far too "by the book" for most people to even keep up with what the guy was saying. I don't use a mic so typed out the gist of where they kept going wrong ( It's SM, stop trying to do it like HM, just burn each boss 1 after the other it'll be no worries ) but no the guy on the mic basically said to ignore me since I wasn't on a mic heh. Suffice to say the mechanics were a mess and it wiped each time before even really getting past brontes/styrak.

Point being if the group took the time to discuss the wipes rather than just retrying the same failed mechanic they may have got somewhere.
Also makes me wonder when explaining mechanics/fights for the first time is voice really the best way to be doing it? How often are people like "err what did you say" "was that to me" yada ya etc. - yes voice is great for coordination and realtime directions but when it comes to planning a fight before it begins I really think typing it out is better e.g. "MT you will go here and taunt this boss and when you get X stacks up you need to tank swap with OT" meaning you can put clear directions that people can read ant their will and no confusion on who is talknig to who about what. I remember the first time running most fights when someone has put into chat what I'm supposed to do I've never had a problem with the fights e.g. "burn boss, if you get red circle run it to the outside" for a simple dps instruction is alot easier than reading an entire manual for 15 minutes to everyone over chat then going over it again as most people forgot the first 5 minutes of the diatribe.

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Qvasar
10.28.2013 , 08:29 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by peterjohndevries View Post
fortunately, or unfortunately, old content is new for our tiny guild...we manage to get 8 of us on at same time maybe once a week and we all just rejoined so we have 5 or 6 HM flashpoints and 4+ ops to get through on various difficulty levels....at this rate, we might get through everything once by next major expansion - into space!
I understand that, but that is not the norm, and eventually if you pug a lot people will grow annoyed. This week I did 21 full run operations across all my characters. Can you imagine if all of them had to be explained/explored/discovered?