ETA on Advanced Class change?

But following that logic if the Devs put in an AC swapping ability with the next patch you'd be fine with it because then it would be their design and vision?

And I'm not suggesting for an instance to take that mechanic away. What I am suggesting is to introduce an additional mechanic that allows a player to bypass exactly the same content they have already played.

When you play through a different class you get some new content in the form of story and companions.
When you play through a different advanced class you get the same content.

And by content I am focusing on the style of story and the companions... when I replay a class I go to lengths to make the experience as different as possible, different species, different gender (I was going to try for differing Lightside/ Darkside choices but I just don't finding the darkside choices gratifying in any manner) But I have a lot of casual time to throw at SWTOR.

I suspect there are some that harbour the intention of levelling one of every Advanced Class but it will never happen but levelling one of every class is a more achievable long term goal. And allowing those players to swap over a class to their preferred AC if they find it differs from the one they chose shouldn't be a concern of other players.

next time you are on a fleet... go to a trainer. find me a trainer for vanguard and for commando. or right. there aren't separate trainers, there's just trooper trainer. no go across one of those bridges to the inner ring and check out the gear vendors. oh... where are the separate vendors... there AREN't any. there are vendors separated by basic class and by type of currency. this applies to both pvp AND pve gear.

now. roll yourself a new alt. level them past lvl 10 and pick out your AC. watch your portal to the ship STILL say trooper, or consular, or smuggler. watch all your class quests, your loading screens etc - STILl call you trooper.

most likely, the reason who you see people listed by their AC is because

1 trooper-commando takes up too much space
2 its redundant, because commando = trooper just like vanguard = trooper.

P.S. there are no achievements to level one of each advanced class.

there ARE however achievements for level one of each base class.

P.P.S. you are assuming that every single person picks their advanced class at lvl 10 with no exception. you are absolutely and eniquevocaly wrong on that.

1. some new players don't realize they should and can go as far as mid 30ties before someone takes pity on them and explains advanced classes.
2. some players deliberately don't pick advanced class.

so the answer to your question, how many you will see? could most certainly be MORE than big fat zero

I highlighted the important word in the first paragraph.

You cannot level one of each class if you do not level one of every AC, since the AC's are different classes. You can level one of every BASE CLASS or story line, but not one of every class.

Just to check in on this little thread:

Ive scrolled back a couple of pages....no new and groundbreaking discussion has been had. The same old stuff is being rehashed.

The lack of any news in 4 months even though we had a Community Q&A and plenty of activity from community managers and devs leads me to beleive this issue is actually a "non issue" for them.

Taken into account all the responses in this very thread, excludeing the extreme's of either opinion, its obvious which is a majority to me, but ill withhold my opinion.

Play the game as it was created for you.

Stop offering excuses and follow in the footsteps of many before you....level your alts and be happy!

Just to check in on this little thread:

Ive scrolled back a couple of pages....no new and groundbreaking discussion has been had. The same old stuff is being rehashed.

The lack of any news in 4 months even though we had a Community Q&A and plenty of activity from community managers and devs leads me to beleive this issue is actually a "non issue" for them.

Taken into account all the responses in this very thread, excludeing the extreme's of either opinion, its obvious which is a majority to me, but ill withhold my opinion.

Play the game as it was created for you.

Stop offering excuses and follow in the footsteps of many before you....level your alts and be happy!

Hey there nice to see you're back


Pretty much the same as any other thread that gets past 10 or so pages


It probably is a 'non-issue' for them, but if forumites have the time and desire to discuss a game concept then that's up to them not the devs :P


You never get a balanced view on a forum. Those that are happy with the game tend to get on with playing it, only those with a specific axe to grind or feel themselves to be armchair game designers feel the investment to turn up on a regular basis. Not to mention those that feel if they get the last post in they've won a discussion. Honestly the only meaningful response from opinions for prospective game changes proposed on a forum would be focus group questionnaires to players.


And I do on a regular basis, I also like to discuss possible changes I feel would improve the game, and others just as passionately believe would ruin it


Oh, I've levelled plenty of alts, but it doesn't stop me wanting the tools to get a little more customisation and freshness out of the content.

Your resistance to using the actual in game definitions of Class and Advanced Class as laid down by Bioware in both the web based Holonet and in game is a little pedantic at this point. I know you will come straight back with your two year old quote, but seriously try to let it go.

In SWTOR it is very clear that when they say Class they mean Class and when they say Advanced Class they mean Advanced Class. Whether you agree with the intent of these words is obviously a moot point but you confuse the issue significantly when you start introducing new definitions that rely on the sensibilities of other games.

Every unique element of a Class (Story, Companions) is the same for BOTH Advanced Classes.
Advanced Classes differ only on a mechanical level as to abilities and equipment. Neither of which step that far away from the choices made when you select a specialisation.

From a design point I can see why they went with this, it would be far too costly to provide 16 unique stories.
From a promotional point I can see why they went with this, you need to be able to mention values as large or larger than your competitor (saying you only have 4 Classes per faction when WoW had around 8 doesn't sound good, and trying to explain those Classes in SWTOR have further subdivisions isn't snappy enough).

Other games have solely defined their characters by class, SWTOR chose to define their characters by story.
For those players that associate more with the story of their character, they will find it frustrating to step back and relevel through the same content they felt made that character unique just to gain access to the other Advanced Class.
On the other hand I suspect gamers that came from the old school MMOs where it was just class that defined your character and laid down significant time investments will be resistant to such a choice.