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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 11:30 AM | #3381
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post

AC swapping actually increases the long term investment into a character. This is the main reason many of the pro-AC swap camp want it for, so they can carry on playing a character they have invested time in and enjoy the class story off but have tired of the mechanics or found their endgame role not one of their liking.

Let's at least try to be honest. The main reason why people are clamoring to be able to change their class is LAZINESS and nothing more. Notice I say the MAIN reason and not the only reason. They try to hide it by making excuses like "I have limited play time", "I don't have time to level an alt", "It takes too long", "I don't have the desire to level an alt", etc., but they all boil down to the aversion to the work or effort required to actually earn that new class. Aversion to work or effort is the definition of laziness.

Since this game allows yo to take as long as you want to reach max level, everyone has the time to level that new class. "Limited play time" or "not having the time" is not a valid reason for allowing class changes, IMO.

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TUXs
10.25.2013 , 11:39 AM | #3382
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Let's at least try to be honest. The main reason why people are clamoring to be able to change their class is LAZINESS and nothing more. Notice I say the MAIN reason and not the only reason. They try to hide it by making excuses like "I have limited play time", "I don't have time to level an alt", "It takes too long", "I don't have the desire to level an alt", etc., but they all boil down to the aversion to the work or effort required to actually earn that new class. Aversion to work or effort is the definition of laziness.
Ah ha! The true argument finally comes out.
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Vhaegrant
10.25.2013 , 11:46 AM | #3383
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Let's at least try to be honest. The main reason why people are clamoring to be able to change their class is LAZINESS and nothing more. Notice I say the MAIN reason and not the only reason. They try to hide it by making excuses like "I have limited play time", "I don't have time to level an alt", "It takes too long", "I don't have the desire to level an alt", etc., but they all boil down to the aversion to the work or effort required to actually earn that new class. Aversion to work or effort is the definition of laziness.

Since this game allows yo to take as long as you want to reach max level, everyone has the time to level that new class. "Limited play time" or "not having the time" is not a valid reason for allowing class changes, IMO.
You know the majority of players of this game and many others pursue it as a source of fun not as a second job.

It's not lazy to want to enjoy the game and carry on playing with your friends in endgame content on a character you have invested time in but have found you don't get on with the mechanics as well as you thought or the end game role is not one of your liking.

Besides which AC swapping doesn't mean you can flip flop between any class and avoid any subsequent levelling. It means you can engage in all the mechanical avenues available to a given class without having to repeat 100% of the content. There are still seven other full classes to go and level up.

The only outcome of AC swapping is that instead of having to level 16 characters to have full access to all of the options you would have to level 8. Still a sizable undertaking to most gamers on a reasonable time allotment.

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branmakmuffin
10.25.2013 , 12:08 PM | #3384
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Let's at least try to be honest. The main reason why people are clamoring to be able to change their class is LAZINESS and nothing more. Notice I say the MAIN reason and not the only reason. They try to hide it by making excuses like "I have limited play time", "I don't have time to level an alt", "It takes too long", "I don't have the desire to level an alt", etc., but they all boil down to the aversion to the work or effort required to actually earn that new class. Aversion to work or effort is the definition of laziness.

Since this game allows yo to take as long as you want to reach max level, everyone has the time to level that new class. "Limited play time" or "not having the time" is not a valid reason for allowing class changes, IMO.
"Laziness" is at least a better reason to do it than your reason not to, which I shall once again summarize for you:


Would you like to see it again?

Why does this make you so angry? It's ludicrous that you get so apoplectic over a game. Clearly you have lost sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be enjoyed.

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:11 PM | #3385
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
You know the majority of players of this game and many others pursue it as a source of fun not as a second job.

It's not lazy to want to enjoy the game and carry on playing with your friends in endgame content on a character you have invested time in but have found you don't get on with the mechanics as well as you thought or the end game role is not one of your liking.

Besides which AC swapping doesn't mean you can flip flop between any class and avoid any subsequent levelling. It means you can engage in all the mechanical avenues available to a given class without having to repeat 100% of the content. There are still seven other full classes to go and level up.

The only outcome of AC swapping is that instead of having to level 16 characters to have full access to all of the options you would have to level 8. Still a sizable undertaking to most gamers on a reasonable time allotment.

How long do you think it would take for the first cries to "allow swapping from any class to any class" to arise? After all, if they allow class changes on a limited scale, why not open them up completely?

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:12 PM | #3386
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Ah ha! The true argument finally comes out.
Well, the TRUTH about the main reason why people want to change class comes out, anyway.

There are plenty of arguments against allowing class changes.

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Vhaegrant
10.25.2013 , 12:15 PM | #3387
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
The cost of leveling certainly isn't an impediment to requiring that that new class actually be leveled and earned. . It is not a valid reason to allow class changes.


Nowhere is it written that if you level an alt to play that other class that you can ONLY play that alt. You can do the dailies and earn those credits with your high level main, even if it is a class you do not want to play, and then log onto the alt to continue leveling the class you DO want to play. You get the best of both worlds, the credit earning potential of the main and the new class you want to play.
Wow you really are focused on making sure the game is a misery for players aren't you

Not only would a player have to slog through 100% of the same content on the new AC, but to pay for it they would have to endure the grind of dailies on the AC they no longer enjoy... that sounds like a master-class in how to make gaming fun.

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Dokar
10.25.2013 , 12:16 PM | #3388
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Well, the TRUTH about the main reason why people want to change class comes out, anyway.

There are plenty of arguments against allowing class changes.
Changing AC doesn't affect story at all, changing class does.

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Jeweledleah
10.25.2013 , 12:17 PM | #3389
speaking of main hand weapons.

I don't know about you all, but I constantly transfer mods/hilts/barrels/etc across alts. I've done alt rolls on arcanian mainhands (because in com runs, most of us don't need gear for mains anymore, so its almost entirely offspec/alts/companions), won them on my sorc healer and send them off to a completely unrelated alt (most recent was jugg tank)

I almost never use the shell that originally drops. 95% of the time, I pull mods out and either transfer them through legacy gear, or into my preferred shell of choice.

so lets say, hypothetically (this won't happen, because I already have an assassin alt, and I like my sorc just the way she is) - I switch from sorc to assassin, and well... looks like all I have my single blade lightsaber except... wait! I go to collections and spawn a dual bladed lightsaber I have unlocked for my account, pull mods out of my single blade lightsaber and plug them into my new dual blade. (and if you are not like me and don't have it unlocked, on my server at least, GTN is flooded with tons and tons of common cartel market weapons that sell for 3-4000 credits., I just wanted particular look without having to buy it fresh over and over)

whadayano - main hand problem? SOLVED!

but what if I go from healer to tank? well then, in that case I go to this handy tool called GTN and either buy a hilt there, or better yet, grab some mats and have a guildy craft it for me. tada! (or just craft me a 66 hilt, something I CAn actually do due to having many alts and all crew skills maxed out)

honestly. gearing is NOT an issue. credits to regear? couple of days of dailies and you have MORE then enough to buy a completely fresh starter set. (especially not that basic coms buy 69 gear rather than 66)

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:17 PM | #3390
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
"Laziness" is at least a better reason to do it than your reason not to, which I shall once again summarize for you:


Would you like to see it again?

Why does this make you so angry? It's ludicrous that you get so apoplectic over a game. Clearly you have lost sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be enjoyed.
Should we open up creation of max level characters for those that don't enjoy the leveling process but enjoy the end game? Should we bestow BIS gear to those players who do not enjoy the whole gear grind? Should we give the best PVP gear to players who do not like the grind earn it? This list of things some people do not enjoy goes on and on. Every player has something about the game they do not like or do not enjoy, I'm sure. Do we allow every player to skip the part(s) of the game they do not enjoy, but still reap the rewards?

Sometimes it is necessary to do things we do not like to get the rewards we want.