Anti Murder Measures.

I'm going to do what you told me not to do and say it is PvP. The idea of a PvP server is to make the galactic conflict real as possible.

If you commit a crime (kill an opponent that did not fought back)

This kind of behavior however is why I stopped playing on PvP servers.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for someone to take a hit to their valor if they take out an opponent that is lower than say 7 levels from the attackers level unless the lower player starts it of course... If you're a 45 and you attack a 55 you got it coming.

Would be fun if the higher level person's stats were reduced (de-bolstered) to the level of the person that he's ganked (assuming the level difference is, like 5 levels or greater).

The problem,as i see it, is that not all players believe in sporting behavior. They are just as proud at defeating a level 1 with their ubber geared level 55 as any other player who fought a battle toe to toe.

... but I can't tell you how many times I've had folks from the opposing faction, usually toons who around 15-20 levels above me (if not more), challenge me to a duel.

I'm sure everyone in the game can relate to this:


Don't tell me that's PvP. PvP stands for Player Versus Player. Versus means a match, a match means similar strength. When players sign up for a PvP server, they get a warning that other player may attack them. But you have to realize that said player signing up is thinking something along the lines of Other players will attack me? Well, by the time I get to a level 20 planet, I should be level 20, myself. And so should any enemy players. So I'll be running around on the lookout for like-leveled players to match.

Oh, how sadly mistaken our newcomer is. If only he knew he was signing up for a Player Exterminate Player server. That's not a match; that's murder. Don't even get me started when a team of 4 level 55s start preying on those 25 levels below them. But anyways, I think there's a solution to discourage such behavior.

Since it's obvious our friendly level 55 is afraid of the level 20 he's passing by, we should let others know what kind of a person he is. We have player A and player Z, if these two engage in a battle, and it ends in three seconds (or less) or under three moves (or less), it's obvious one of them was way over the level of the other. If Player Z was the aggressor, and Player Z won in a blink of an eye, Player Z is awarded with a debuff called Spineless. This debuff persists through defeat for perhaps 10 minutes, and it works like a reverse bolster buff. It would read out something like Is afraid of level <Insert Player A's level here>s. And the effect it gives? It simply tones down the player's stats and power to one level below their victim's level. Like how Bolster boosts you up to level 55, Spineless drags you down the appropriate level. However, if Player A is the aggressor, then Player Z is only acting in retaliation; and is exempt from receiving the Spineless debuff. So if the little guy has the guts to challenge you, then you're free to stomp him into dust.

I say the count of time and moves because both are relevant to the variables of murdering young-level players. Player Z's ambush can happen quickly, and use a lot of low-powered moves that still defeat the victim in such short time. Or Player Z can attack slowly with first a stun move, then stopping to watch them for the duration of the stun effect. Then finally moving on to the next move, possibly another stun/immobilizer. So while it may have taken 30 seconds, Player A was still massacred in a very short count of moves.

I really hope for something like this to be implemented, it would put young-level players' mind at ease, knowing they're fairly off the menu for the higher-level players. The count of three seconds/moves is just a shot-in-the-dark guess, a bit of research to find an appropriate count would be wise. After all, you all realize that near-level players can't kill eachother that quickly/efficiently even if one let the other try. And high-level differences between players means they can't really kill them without such lethality that the level difference provides.

Mmm...

The problem with PvP which is common in all MMORPGs is that many of us have a concept of "sportsmanship" but few of us observe it or even want it, when it comes down to it.

A battle worth remembering is one where you prowess made the difference between vicotry and defeat. If so. then true PvP players would want their oppossition to be the same level and equally geared as a minimum, also would want the opposition's class to be balanced against his; otherwise where is the sportsmanship in this?

I have often contended that PvP gear should be the same as PvE gear, so there is no "elite" sets of gear that by default demolishes any sense of fair competition. If anything "elitist" gear limits those players willing to entry the field of PvP since they would have to endure being murdered by superior equipped players on and on until they can gear up.

The problem,as i see it, is that not all players believe in sporting behavior. They are just as proud at defeating a level 1 with their ubber geared level 55 as any other player who fought a battle toe to toe. I think this is what the OP has issues with, and in an unjudging PvP environment, it simply comes with the territory.

If SWTOR was a medieval game with hard codes of chivalry, then those cowardly knights going around attacking their known inferiors would be ridiculed and despised. But SWTOR and chivalry has absolutely nothing in common, and in the story world of SWTOR the average Sith is a bully by definition and sportmanship is always far from their minds...

In some games, i seen a flagging set used, so when a bully PvP player enters a town or civilized area they are aassaulted by NPC guards and killed, in other games they suffer experience penalties, I seen where your stats and skills are percent penalized based on how abusive the murder was; would be interesting to see this done, but not sure it would be appropriate.

Sue.