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snaplemouton
10.04.2013 , 12:29 PM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
No. Just no.
What do you mean no? Force leap can be dodged.
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L-RANDLE
10.04.2013 , 12:30 PM | #222
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
No. Just no.
This.
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Zoom_VI
10.04.2013 , 12:30 PM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by snaplemouton View Post
95% is 5% miss + 5% or higher chance to get dodged.
No you have the mechanic wrong. Defense and miss are in the same roll.
You have 91% accuracy your target has 5% defense.
So you have a 915 chance to hit, a 4% chance to miss and a 5% chance for the target to dodge.
So if your under 95% accuracy your chance to not hit is the same as 100 - accuracy

If 95%<accuracy<100% then your chance to hit is 95% because of the defense offset.
If your accuracy + target's defense > 100% than you have a 0% chance to miss but as long as accuracy < defense + 100 there is a small chance for a dodge.


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It's not a small chance.
If you play a knight/warrior, you should have seen more then often your leap not root a non-immune to root target if you arn't at at least 105% accuracy.
And missing a leap root is more then just a slight DPS decrease. No amount of surge can counter the time lost on running after your target because he is out of range for your slow since you didn't root him on the leap.
Last I checked only obliterate is a melee attack, charge I believe is force, meaning its not going to miss, unless you have the sniper's smoke grenade on you
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Zoom_VI
10.04.2013 , 12:31 PM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by snaplemouton View Post
You seems to forget accuracy doesn't only affect damage but the effect the abilities got. And force leap root is part of this. Missing it is not an option.
Accuracy is chance to hit, it does nothing else for your attacks period
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snaplemouton
10.04.2013 , 12:31 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
This.
This what?
My point is perfectly valid.
Force leap can be dodged.
Getting dodged on force leap is a far bigger DPS lost then any amount of surge.

No wonder every freaking knight/warrior complains about scoundrel/operative healers. They play the only class without a non-channeled hard stun and don't get the accuracy needed to root their target.
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snaplemouton
10.04.2013 , 12:34 PM | #226
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
No you have the mechanic wrong. Defense and miss are in the same roll.
You have 91% accuracy your target has 5% defense.
So you have a 915 chance to hit, a 4% chance to miss and a 5% chance for the target to dodge.
So if your under 95% accuracy your chance to not hit is the same as 100 - accuracy

If 95%<accuracy<100% then your chance to hit is 95% because of the defense offset.
If your accuracy + target's defense > 100% than you have a 0% chance to miss but as long as accuracy < defense + 100 there is a small chance for a dodge.
Care to link where you read that?
Because from everywhere I saw accuracy only reduce defense chance above 100% and below 100% it's chance to miss.


Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Last I checked only obliterate is a melee attack, charge I believe is force, meaning its not going to miss, unless you have the sniper's smoke grenade on you
Force leap is a white attack. It isn't considered force. Meaning it's going to miss or get dodged.
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Zoom_VI
10.04.2013 , 12:35 PM | #227
EDIT: It is white damage but the root effect is a force attack meaning even if the charge misses the target is still rooted.
Assuming they aren't charging a HTL or Egress
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Technohic
10.04.2013 , 12:35 PM | #228
I thought that they always have like a 5% chance of an attack to miss regardless of accuract so that at 95% accuracy is no different than 100%?

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L-RANDLE
10.04.2013 , 12:37 PM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by snaplemouton View Post
This what?
My point is perfectly valid.
Force leap can be dodged.
Getting dodged on force leap is a far bigger DPS lost then any amount of surge.

No wonder every freaking knight/warrior complains about scoundrel/operative healers. They play the only class without a non-channeled hard stun and don't get the accuracy needed to root their target.
Because you are 100% wrong especially in the case of a Combat Sent...
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Zoom_VI
10.04.2013 , 12:38 PM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
I thought that they always have like a 5% chance of an attack to miss regardless of accuract so that at 95% accuracy is no different than 100%?
5% base dodge chance carried by all classes. Accuracy beyond 95% is pointless for PvP
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