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LenrocNewDawn
10.04.2013 , 12:56 AM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
Force camo is far better then GBTF, imo GBTF is extremely overrated. Almost always when I dont have force camo off CD to use after GBTF i die.
It is situational. If I have a healer behind me GBTF is more valuable since I can say "Used guarded" and the healer will focus heal me and in 4-5 seconds he can top heal me with some lucky crits and if i use my heal adrenal after GBTF. This gives the sent a second wind. And is common practice in pre-made groups. In pugs I use camo to break up when I'm about to die and run for the healer or WZ buffs holding GBTF as a back up if I'm engaged on low health after camo is off for a last stand brawl.
GBTF allows you to stay in the face of the enemy dealing with him while getting healed, camo is an ex-filtrate ability but it relieves the pressure on opponent too allowing him to hamper your healer.
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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.04.2013 , 05:14 AM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
You all really should stop replying to L-RANDLE. Based on every single post I've read from him in the past few days he has ZERO understanding of swtor's meta game and has ZERO understanding of balance. Case in point, he's a crappy player.
Well you are totally right but unfortunately i only get that conclusion after his last great idea (putting guarded by the force as a skill in focus)... omg serious

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L-RANDLE
10.04.2013 , 06:53 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
You all really should stop replying to L-RANDLE. Based on every single post I've read from him in the past few days he has ZERO understanding of swtor's meta game and has ZERO understanding of balance. Case in point, he's a crappy player.
.My 1000s of MVP votes says otherwise. its irrelevant anyway. its the default response for someone that has no point or a bad one to say the least..

Anyway....

Youre defending someone that doesnt know his own spec.
Meta game? You want to talk PvP meta game?

Here's an idea
If you want tank type abilities, pick a class that has tank stuff.
DPS should be countering healing, does healers have meaningful damage that you need tank type CDs?

Ground breaking, I know but since you are the authority on meta explain why ranged DPS has tank type CDs as well?..

But keep trying to justify it. Its pretty obvious this AC has issues on every spec. Its cute.
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Lowyjowylof
10.04.2013 , 07:28 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeieveli View Post
See balance is when every class has counter classes. Which is why its easier to balance a game around 8v8 then it is around 4v4 btw. But im not going into that. Carnage/combat, are supposed be the counter to healers (see healing debuff). Lets not forget there are class you simply laugh at when they try to damage you, you probably dont even bother kiting them sometimes. Maybe Shien knight/war. Because you have a counter class that means there is balance. You shouldnt be calling for nerf just because you can be countered by a certain class.
The Problem is is that Sent/Mara counter multiple classes and with ease. Sniper/Slinger might be the counter to Sent/Mara, but guess what they're the only true ranged class with as many CDs as a Sent/Mara.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeieveli View Post
let me get this straight, your lowering the survivability of the two least played specs making focus the primary damage spec, while increasing the utility of the other two specs? So who is your boss at BW? Just like BW seems like you want more smashers.

The Defence is not the problem, its the damage of smash that would be a problem. Sins have a vanish and 100% immunity to force/tech cd, i dont hear clamour about removing that, and they are the best 1v1 class atm.

Knights/Wars are supposed to leap into enemies and drive them back (they are melee and hence why they have leap), in doing so, they absolutely must have dcds. No way around it. Especially when you have ranged, like Smugglers with their dodge, and seemingly infinite dcds and gap openers.
Again, Sent/Mara defense is the problem because they are more survivable than both guardian DPS trees and and more damage. If it was balanced Guardian would be studier as a whole but less DPS than Sent/Mara. I'm fine with the damage they put out maybe Focus/Rage smash/sweep needs to be dialed back a bit, but not into the ground. Just because you get countered by the one pure dps ranged class, doesn't mean you should have the iWIN button against every other class.
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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.04.2013 , 08:00 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by Lowyjowylof View Post
The Problem is is that Sent/Mara counter multiple classes and with ease. Sniper/Slinger might be the counter to Sent/Mara, but guess what they're the only true ranged class with as many CDs as a Sent/Mara.



Again, Sent/Mara defense is the problem because they are more survivable than both guardian DPS trees and and more damage. If it was balanced Guardian would be studier as a whole but less DPS than Sent/Mara. I'm fine with the damage they put out maybe Focus/Rage smash/sweep needs to be dialed back a bit, but not into the ground. Just because you get countered by the one pure dps ranged class, doesn't mean you should have the iWIN button against every other class.
I tell you the same i told the others, your problem is smash monkeys, which poping GBTF they can still hit nasty, all the QQ about sentinels are just because that skill? i se sages dealing with that and they are the weakest class in survival. serious why not then cry for allow interrupt snipers in cover and nerf their cd too? lets even suppose BW once again do a stupid nerf and then wath will be the next qq reason? snipers? shadows? people will have to find always some class to cry about. When is most cases are people who want their main class be a counter to every other class. With the stupid amount of c on this game and still have no idea how to use it. Have faced all classes on wz and good players know what to do, or people anyway expect survive when attacked by 2 marauders? let the nerf come and wathever they do peopel will cry still for one more, dont we had enough nerfs until now? the gameplay was far more enjoyable around 1.3 then now thanks to all this changes...

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Lowyjowylof
10.04.2013 , 09:06 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Zez-Kai-Ell View Post
I tell you the same i told the others, your problem is smash monkeys, which poping GBTF they can still hit nasty, all the QQ about sentinels are just because that skill? i se sages dealing with that and they are the weakest class in survival. serious why not then cry for allow interrupt snipers in cover and nerf their cd too? lets even suppose BW once again do a stupid nerf and then wath will be the next qq reason? snipers? shadows? people will have to find always some class to cry about. When is most cases are people who want their main class be a counter to every other class. With the stupid amount of c on this game and still have no idea how to use it. Have faced all classes on wz and good players know what to do, or people anyway expect survive when attacked by 2 marauders? let the nerf come and wathever they do peopel will cry still for one more, dont we had enough nerfs until now? the gameplay was far more enjoyable around 1.3 then now thanks to all this changes...
Snipers will get nerfed when Sents/Maras do. No one should win a 1 on 2 disadvantage, but if there is one class than can when played exceptionally, it's Sent/Mara against certain classes. All classes put out about the same damage but only a few can do that reliably. Like I said before I'm fine, with the damage they put out, other than smash that should be toned down a bit maybe ~6500 crit, rather than 8500-9k.

The fact that arguably the worst DCD Sent/Mara has is on the longest CD. The rest are at 1:30 or less and that is of the 5 that all 3 trees share. Putting GBTF/UDR at a 3 MIn CD and Saber Reflect on 1:00 or 1 min 30 isn't unreasonable and out of the realm of reality. The only other "god mode" special I am aware of is Sage Barrier and it's a channel where it can't do anything else and on 3 min CD. All Sent/Mara DCDs allow it to keep DPSing except Camo.
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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.04.2013 , 09:35 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Lowyjowylof View Post
Snipers will get nerfed when Sents/Maras do. No one should win a 1 on 2 disadvantage, but if there is one class than can when played exceptionally, it's Sent/Mara against certain classes. All classes put out about the same damage but only a few can do that reliably. Like I said before I'm fine, with the damage they put out, other than smash that should be toned down a bit maybe ~6500 crit, rather than 8500-9k.

The fact that arguably the worst DCD Sent/Mara has is on the longest CD. The rest are at 1:30 or less and that is of the 5 that all 3 trees share. Putting GBTF/UDR at a 3 MIn CD and Saber Reflect on 1:00 or 1 min 30 isn't unreasonable and out of the realm of reality. The only other "god mode" special I am aware of is Sage Barrier and it's a channel where it can't do anything else and on 3 min CD. All Sent/Mara DCDs allow it to keep DPSing except Camo.
You self said on your answer man: smash 8.5/9k
And you know why? they ignore all mechanics on game, stacking exclusively power surge, and 0 accuracy and focus gives them 15% extra surge and they don't suffer diminishing returns, you wanna compare a sentinel combat with 70/73% max surge against a monkey with 91% surge? mate the difference is huge is sad people complain about the class without even first play them and all his trees, do you have any idea how squishy a combat sentinel is? they need all the defense tools they have but its the bad player a and bw dev's who don't see that.
Play the class on all trees and compare 1 and 2 to focus, you have any minimal knowledge of the class and his skill no offense am sorry then just read the damn focus rage tree. your answer is there
Combat sent cant hit blade storm like smash,8k? what 1 rare occasion in every 20 or more attacks.... dont forget they need accuracy too on gear monkeys don't. and in case you forget smash got buffed 8% on 2.0, spamming slash, dispatch and blade storm reduce the current cd on smash by 1 sec for every skill... if you wanna call GBTF god mode then you are only right if they play focus, go read tree and see why..
And btw snipers get nerfed? i have not even idea from where they should start

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L-RANDLE
10.04.2013 , 10:13 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Zez-Kai-Ell View Post
Combat sent cant hit blade storm like smash,8k? what 1 rare occasion in every 20 or more attacks.... dont forget they need accuracy too on gear monkeys don't. and in case you forget smash got buffed 8% on 2.0, spamming slash, dispatch and blade storm reduce the current cd on smash by 1 sec for every skill... if you wanna call GBTF god mode then you are only right if they play focus, go read tree and see why.. btw snipers get nerfed? i have not even idea from where they should start
LOL Raansu says I should be ignored, when something like this is posted.

Pfft... Carrying accuracy on a Combat Sent...
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JestersRevenge
10.04.2013 , 10:30 AM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Zez-Kai-Ell View Post
Combat sent cant hit blade storm like smash,8k? what 1 rare occasion in every 20 or more attacks.... dont forget they need accuracy too on gear...
My Partisan itemized Combat Sentinel is full Power / Surge. With the correct talents (haven't played him in awhile), I was sitting between 95% and 96% Accuracy, which is plenty in PvP especially against non-tank classes. I don't have one piece of Accuracy in my gear and I rarely miss. So...

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L-RANDLE
10.04.2013 , 10:38 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by JestersRevenge View Post
My Partisan itemized Combat Sentinel is full Power / Surge. With the correct talents (haven't played him in awhile), I was sitting between 95% and 96% Accuracy, which is plenty in PvP especially against non-tank classes. I don't have one piece of Accuracy in my gear and I rarely miss. So...
It hasn't changed...
And I hit 6.8k scream last night with no 4pc set bonus and 1820EXP.

But Combat is squishier and weaker.....
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