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Lowyjowylof
10.03.2013 , 11:27 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by NogueiraA View Post
This is marauders job, facetank everything... Try to jump on these people with NO dcd's up. Or try to do something because you'll be stunned to death. The amount of stuns and knockbacks compensate the fact dcd marauders have to facetank all the ranged classes to reach the enemy healer.

You just said why marauder has these dcd's, it's not too much if you look at Sniper, they have more dcd's.
Undying rage needs to be removed? Endure Pain and Kolto Overload is the same, gives you some seconds of life...

I'll say again, marauders CAN'T 4sec stun you, this won't matter? Play one with no stuns and try to control your target.
I could be going out on a limb here, but I think it's a tanks job to face tank everything. Now in randoms that ain't the case all the time, but I'm pretty sure most ranked teams have them. When a Focus/Rage specced Sent/Mara can tank better than a tank something ain't right.

Also, how many roots and snares do you have? 4? Or is it more?
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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.03.2013 , 11:27 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
If you get a 4 sec stun then you can't have ravage anymore
I mean really you would just run two combat sents. One awes the tank and nearby dps while the other hardstuns the target and both do master strike with precision slash up. No way to survive period, and if target does miraculously survives those he still gets double 8k dispatches on the end of the channel.
well damage break awe, and for example as combat sent, doing master strike without zen is a waste of time, doing blade rush is simply much better meanwhile. let them nerf sent, next they have to find another class to nerf, shadow infiltration for it looks, many alredy qq about them...

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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.03.2013 , 11:30 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Lowyjowylof View Post
I could be going out on a limb here, but I think it's a tanks job to face tank everything. Now in randoms that ain't the case all the time, but I'm pretty sure most ranked teams have them. When a Focus/Rage spec can tank better than a tank something ain't right.
yes and you know why? because focus like i said before simply amplify the currents defense skills, not to mention not even a root work since the smash jump allow you to jump 10m even immobilized .
Serious the focus tree gives even more def than a poor vig guardian... rebuke on its normal state is fine, on focus it doesn't
And the smash damage since is a auto crit it isn't absorbed or mitigated by armor or even a shield, so ye a smasher can off tank better and even kill a pure tank... working as intended, spam slash and other skill to speed up smash cd getting finish and keep repeating dose... working as intended

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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.03.2013 , 11:36 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by NogueiraA View Post
This is marauders job, facetank everything... Try to jump on these people with NO dcd's up. Or try to do something because you'll be stunned to death. The amount of stuns and knockbacks compensate the fact dcd marauders have to facetank all the ranged classes to reach the enemy healer.

You just said why marauder has these dcd's, it's not too much if you look at Sniper, they have more dcd's.
Undying rage needs to be removed? Endure Pain and Kolto Overload is the same, gives you some seconds of life...

I'll say again, marauders CAN'T 4sec stun you, this won't matter? Play one with no stuns and try to control your target.
lets even consider stasis a cc.
It need to be channeled, not like force stun and keep hitting

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Technohic
10.03.2013 , 11:36 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Zez-Kai-Ell View Post
well damage break awe, and for example as combat sent, doing master strike without zen is a waste of time, doing blade rush is simply much better meanwhile. let them nerf sent, next they have to find another class to nerf, shadow infiltration for it looks, many alredy qq about them...
LOL This is funny because it is true that people do cry about infiltration shadows, but they really are not that big of an issue if people know how to counter them. They are a bit better than scrappers, IMO; but but I would say either is very vulnerable in that if they do not finish off their target quickly from the element of surprise, they are lackluster compared to any other DPS class.

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NogueiraA
10.03.2013 , 11:43 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
If you get a 4 sec stun then you can't have ravage anymore
I mean really you would just run two combat sents. One awes the tank and nearby dps while the other hardstuns the target and both do masterstrike with presicion slash up. No way to survive period, and if target does miraculously survives those he still gets double 8k dispatches on the end of the channel.
Suposing everything crits, tell me the difference between:
Stun + Ravage. 5k,5k,9k = 19k damage.
Stun + Maul 2x. 9k, 8k(no proc) = 17k damage.
Stun + heatseeker + unload. 9k, 4.5k (x3 ticks)= 22.5k damage.
Stun + Ambush + Takedown. 9k, 7k = 16k damage.
Stun + Ambush + Series Of Shots 2x. 9k, 3.1k (x4 ticks) = 21.4k damage.

So your argument about ravage + stun is invalid. The balance between that is the right move not giving a 4sec stun for marauders because they have these dcd's... Oh wait, look at snipers, more dcd's than mara and they have a 4sec stun, seems unbalanced heh?
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L-RANDLE
10.03.2013 , 11:49 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Zez-Kai-Ell View Post
yes and you know why? because focus like i said before simply amplify the currents defense skills, not to mention not even a root work since the smash jump allow you to jump 10m even immobilized .
Serious the focus tree gives even more def than a poor vig guardian... rebuke on its normal state is fine, on focus it doesn't
And the smash damage since is a auto crit it isn't absorbed or mitigated by armor or even a shield, so ye a smasher can off tank better and even kill a pure tank... working as intended, spam slash and other skill to speed up smash cd getting finish and keep repeating dose... working as intended
Vig Guardian can use the Defense tree to get better defense, if they desire. Again it makes sense that focus has stronger defense than Vig. Shien is an offensive heavy stance...
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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.03.2013 , 12:00 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
LOL This is funny because it is true that people do cry about infiltration shadows, but they really are not that big of an issue if people know how to counter them. They are a bit better than scrappers, IMO; but but I would say either is very vulnerable in that if they do not finish off their target quickly from the element of surprise, they are lackluster compared to any other DPS class.
Ofc they are not a prob. ffs the were crap since game beginning, only on 2.0 inf truly become something decent.
And for this qqer's just a tip: rebuke is the only defense against a smasher.
So people wanna make focus the only playable tree is focus, why they don't try play a sentinel but not focus one, and a shadow inf? to see how class is instead complain from them...

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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.03.2013 , 12:01 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
Vig Guardian can use the Defense tree to get better defense, if they desire. Again it makes sense that focus has stronger defense than Vig. Shien is an offensive heavy stance...
so focus is far way superior to vig and you think still they need more def?
Do yu play sent smasher by chance?
And no way focus sent is like guardian focus, sent focus are better and get more def so the shared idea isn't so true mate.

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L-RANDLE
10.03.2013 , 12:04 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Zez-Kai-Ell View Post
Ofc they are not a prob. ffs the were crap since game beginning, only on 2.0 inf truly become something decent.
And for this qqer's just a tip: rebuke is the only defense against a smasher.
So people wanna make focus the only playable tree is focus, why they don't try play a sentinel but not focus one, and a shadow inf? to see how class is instead complain from them...
Stuns, KB, Mezz, invis, kite, clense? There is more defense than u think...
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