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The Mysterious Ancient Tome


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Tyminator
09.24.2013 , 02:17 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by HekaHeh View Post

Anyways, since I have yet seen no reason to stop trying to solve this "mystery", a question @Tyminator:
You said you "checked out" the balloon in the SE ez. North to Mos Ila.

http://imageshack.com/i/5nxwr5j
http://imageshack.com/i/f3nza2j

Given that there are no screens of it, question is - have you actually managed to get ON the balloon? or at least get close to the spot it supposedly lands and tried to jump on?
We went through the exhaustion on the Mos Ila side of hte balloon's path, there is a "safe zone" by the balloon. It "lands" on the side of a mountain which we could NOT get up to (but we went on the back and front of the mountain and there's nothing), we tried numerous knockbacks/pulls etc.

We followed the balloon to the big mountain range in the middle of Tatooine.

We climbed into those mountains and it was nothing but sand/glitchy terrain. We explored the entire mountain range, from the peaks, to the ground..nothing. We saw were the balloons path ended and it turned around, a bit above the ground near some random sand. Nothing of importance where the balloon landed or took off, and all glitchy/buggy terrain making it almost certain we shouldn't be there.

The balloon never makes contact with the ground and is not low enough to launch onto. I believe this to be ruled out.
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09.24.2013 , 03:10 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by znihilist View Post
From what I understood is that he contacted CS in order to get it, not from a loot. ie, he figured out how to get the item but he needed CS in order to do it. So he lied to them about something and that led him to the crystal.
Whether they gave him the crystal or another item, it was a CS exploit and not an in-game one.
I heard that as well, but i believe that wasn't officially confirmed either. And it doesn't fit with Reids statement. Even the average player can try to fool the CS, but the average players don't force push each other to places that aren't intended to be reached. But like i said, it is indeed just speculation on my part, i'm far from having any proof. To be honest, i'm just as clueless as the rest of us, maybe i'm even more puzzled due to the many different statements we get from various members of the CS.
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AlrikFassbauer
09.24.2013 , 04:02 AM | #103
I have a different theory now :

From the linked ForceJunkies article :

Quote:
Right now, it is not possible to legitimately obtain a White Lightsaber Crystal in the game through any gameplay method. In the future, it will be possible to legitimately obtain. When that day comes, we’ll let you know so you can go about obtaining the crystal for your characters.
I tend to believe that it might have been an item exclusive for a selected number of players.

Be it mouse buyers, preorderers, game journalists, or even an developer exclusive item.
The formulation of this quote - in my ears - essentially means that this item is an limited item ("not possible to legitimately obtain a White Lightsaber Crystal in the game through any gameplay method"), and limited to those who DO KNOW the method to legally obtain this crystal.
The knowledge about this method is the limiting factor here. Only a select few people might actually learn about it one day, und the method - the way to "legally obtain it" is seemingly deeply hidden within ... something. Be it the game itself ("in the game through any gameplay method"), or in an database, or in hand-written notebooks somewhere.
Plus, the method must be so complex, or barred by so heavy obstacles, that it isn't able "to legally obtain [it] in the game through any gameplay method". These obstacles are there, intended to hinder people from getting it through gameplay.
Only knowledge that is passed around in RL is able to get it - and this is the point why an CS was needed for its discoverer. Because in-game, it was not reachable, because in-game, neither the method could be deduced from what is there in-game, nor does any player know the method to reach it. The knowledge lies outside of "player-space".
And in-game, there are too heavy obstacles. Which cannot be overcome without knowing the method to overcome them. And only an CS might have known it at one point. And any CS is "outside of player-space".

Quote:
When that day comes, we’ll let you know so you can go about obtaining the crystal for your characters.
Of course they can write this, because they are within what i call the "method-knowledge-space". Players aren't. So, we are fully dependent on them sharing the knowledge / the method [to overcome the obstackles] or not.

Which leads me to the assumption that this cystal is - imho - NOT the riddle there - if an riddle ever existed there in the Outlaw's Den.

IF there is a riddle, THEN it must be something else.

And if the inventor of these riddles has already left Bioware, then he might never be able to tell us if there are any secrets or riddles left because of NDA.
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JattaGin
09.24.2013 , 09:42 AM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
And if the inventor of these riddles has already left Bioware, then he might never be able to tell us if there are any secrets or riddles left because of NDA.
Oh noes. That would be something.

P. S. Alrik, have you played Memoria yet? If you like DSA-stories, you gonny love that game. I did.

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HekaHeh
09.25.2013 , 03:53 AM | #105
Thanks for the detailed recap of what you did @Tyminator.

I honestly don't think that BW would actually lose knowledge about ingame "stuff" by sacking an employee, unless he created the ("we don't know whether there is one") riddle in the Outlaws Den all by himself and has never told anyone else about it, which would be rather unlikely, but not impossible tbh.

And if I recall it correctly, hadn't CDW first received the White Crystal and then afterwards was seen stalking the Womp Rat in the Den? So I don't think they are necessarily related.

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AlrikFassbauer
09.26.2013 , 03:46 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by JattaGin View Post
P. S. Alrik, have you played Memoria yet? If you like DSA-stories, you gonny love that game. I did.
I haven't yet, but it's high on my list. I saw the preview of it at the RPC.
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JettZor
09.26.2013 , 04:38 AM | #107
You know you can already get a White Lightsaber crystal legitimately in the game right?

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DarthBurton
09.26.2013 , 05:04 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by JettZor View Post
You know you can already get a White Lightsaber crystal legitimately in the game right?
We were talking about a user (CatchDeathwalker) who got the white crystal in January 2012, when Bioware stated you could NOT obtain it by legitimate means.

I simply connected this incident with the question, if there's a riddle in the outlaws den, Alrik stated his theory of Biowares intentions about the white crystal back in the early days of SWTOR to underline that he doesn't agree with my theory.

The fact, that you can obtain the crystal now legitimately was never the question.
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JettZor
09.26.2013 , 05:23 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthBurton View Post
We were talking about a user (CatchDeathwalker) who got the white crystal in January 2012, when Bioware stated you could NOT obtain it by legitimate means.

I simply connected this incident with the question, if there's a riddle in the outlaws den, Alrik stated his theory of Biowares intentions about the white crystal back in the early days of SWTOR to underline that he doesn't agree with my theory.

The fact, that you can obtain the crystal now legitimately was never the question.
Okay, okay, no need to get defensive

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DarthBurton
09.26.2013 , 08:58 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by JettZor View Post
Okay, okay, no need to get defensive
I just wanted to clarifiy my earlier comments to prevent a further misunderstanding. If i appeared defensive, i apologize, english is not my native language. I try to be easier to understand in the future.
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