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Changes to 16 Man Progression - Discussion


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deceptweb
09.19.2013 , 12:49 PM | #1
If you have any questions or anything you'd like to see changed prior to release of Dread Palace and Dread Fortress, please post here. I'm not saying anything is going to change, but ideas are always accepted.
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Shandellon
09.20.2013 , 03:34 AM | #2
I thought we agreed on not tracking this tier of operations
Cyntia - Sage Healer Hp - Gunsliger Dps
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RikuvonDrake
09.20.2013 , 05:02 AM | #3
If there is going to be changes done to the document and the math in it we might as well try it out on Hardmode as a test before we use it on Nightmare and the "real" progression?
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Askesis
09.20.2013 , 06:14 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Shandellon View Post
I thought we agreed on not tracking this tier of operations
Why would you skip tracking two entire Ops? I don't see any logical reasoning behind that.

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Shandellon
09.20.2013 , 07:34 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Askesis View Post
Why would you skip tracking two entire Ops? I don't see any logical reasoning behind that.
And you are...?

Its HM, and as mentioned many times, will probably be cleared by most guild in first 1 or 2 days, so whole race is about who get to log on first. We had a discussion in NiM progreesion therad, that only NiM ops are worth tracking

It won't be however a bad idea to keep track of guilds that actively do 16 man raiding, not as World First race though
Cyntia - Sage Healer Hp - Gunsliger Dps
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namesaretough
09.20.2013 , 09:05 AM | #6
In general I'm against tracking HM for rankings. There's no point if most guilds listed clear it the first week. On the other hand, keeping track of who is trying content is a good thing, and there's always the chance no balancing was done since the PTS, meaning killing raptus or brontes would be a huge accomplishment deserving some recognition. If thin wants to go to the effort to track it I'm not going to complain, but I'll laugh a little if I see people bragging about world/server/faction firsts in HM, just like I did back when 2.0 came out.
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tahoeWolverine
09.20.2013 , 09:17 AM | #7
I think it's good to track, you never know how difficult an instance will be until it goes live. As a 16man community, I think we've always done a good job of rising above the bickering and boasting, so I don't forsee any of the current guilds making a big fuss out of firsts. I'd say after 10 clears, we can totally stop tracking progression on any given tier.

About changes to the way it works, math in spreadsheet or rules, I'm happy with the current system, I think it works well for very different instances that come out, HM or NiM. I definitely liked the discussions that were had with the entire community pre-2.0, so if changes are being considered, I'd suggest pulling everyone together for a 16man community conversation.

Something that hasn't been specified for this tier elsewhere: I'm assuming the current rule is that you cannot skip bosses within an instance and claim kills, but doing a few in HM DF, and then a few in HM DP would be legal.

Good luck to everyone, hopefully this HM tier allows more guilds to participate in 16 and then stay on for the next NiM tier.
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deceptweb
09.20.2013 , 09:17 AM | #8
I didn't WANT to do it, but there were a lot of people asking for it. So I'll have a lot to do the first week or so. ;p
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JDotter
09.20.2013 , 09:19 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by namesaretough View Post
In general I'm against tracking HM for rankings. There's no point if most guilds listed clear it the first week. On the other hand, keeping track of who is trying content is a good thing, and there's always the chance no balancing was done since the PTS, meaning killing raptus or brontes would be a huge accomplishment deserving some recognition. If thin wants to go to the effort to track it I'm not going to complain, but I'll laugh a little if I see people bragging about world/server/faction firsts in HM, just like I did back when 2.0 came out.
You just jelly MoX US first HM S/V

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namesaretough
09.20.2013 , 09:24 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by JDotter View Post
You just jelly MoX US first HM S/V
Not jelly, mirin
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