Keybinds vs clicking

Can you tell me where and what you play pls, so I know what to roll for an easy kill/bad avoid thanks.

Binding in PVE is optional (but i imagine still highly beneficial especially with movement mechanics) in PVP it's A MUST to be competitive. You mention the 1.5sec GCD a couple of times.. well in a little over 2 gcd's your dead. My sentinel/assassin would rip you apart easily as a clicker/turner cos you just simply can't react fast enough.

Explain to me how you can turn to keep me in front if your mousing over you abilities?.. you can't... jump turn won't turn any faster than KB turning. Not to mention the having to click each ability, providing you remember their position.

To the OP, play ur toon however you like. I've NEVER seen anyone get told to respec based on class EVER. However keep in mind that as a click/turner more experienced pvp'ers are going to eat and spit you out faster than you can S-back peddle + D-turn + click 1,2,3 etc on your toolbar. For me personally on my sentinel it'd be Q, shift-W, 2, 3, e, and 4 should kill you.

My "expertise" (pun intended) in this is simple. Have pvp'd since vanilla WoW and was a click/turner. Got my *** chewed so much and got frustrated but a friendly player put me onto binding + mouse movement. Have never looked back.

Easy done, raid encounters are 100% scripted and predictable. The only variables are differing team compositions and associated gear. Player experience and knowledge of class, and of course boss difficulty in accordance with set level.

NIM is no more strenuous than hard or story, the challenge being your team needs to be pretty much 100% on top of their gearing and rotations to beat that very tight enrage timer. I've seen SOO many PvE carebears think "I'm so leet cos I push out 3k dps on boss X" try PvP with that same attitude and practically get bent over every time they spawn.. Why?..glad you asked.

Boss X - 3 phases 100%, 60%, 30% (choose your fav mechanics we all know types) tank and burn, dodge/los blah blah, oh Boss X is @ 30% pop cd's and burn and interrupt "raid wiping skill" (yes i'm drawing on false emperor here).. That pretty well sums up EVERY PvE encounter, please don't say it doesn't I've PvE'd almost as much as I've PvP'd.... NOW...

Player X (me) - 1 phase 100% ... ergh hang on.. you don't know what i'm gonna do, do you?.. am I going to follow the "usual" opener/rotation for my class?.. maybe, maybe not?... welcome to the word RANDOM!.

Honestly if I had my way the highest PvE level/s (NIM) would be boss's are random.. TOTALLY.. no scripting, no you-tubing, just on the edge of your seats reaction and cd management.. but ya'll would totally loose your minds at that.

easy, stack ur bars in a column like fashion and put space between them so you can quickly move into a space away from your abilities and mouse turn. Its a setup most good clickers use and all it takes is a little hand-eye

and it's no harder for us to remember where the abilities that we are trying to click are than for you to remember where the keys u need to press are (no offense). ul never notice the difference in a good clickers performance compared to keybinding... it takes just as much practice.

I concede if i had a duplicate me that fully key binded the keybinded version would win. i do use a few key bindings. i wud be happy to go fully keybinding if i could.

my point is being a clicker or a keybinder does not make u a good player. theres a sniper i see regular on my server brakes 1-2million damage regular, i get around half what he does, he never dies, he key binds does that mean hes better? nope, he also never focuses a objective, he cares more for the kill and numbers where as i will always keep running in dieing to secure we dont lose a objective.

and reason i dont go fully key binding is i have a problem with short term memory from a accident so its not just harder, its next to impossible without really destroying my fun aspect in game.

Well, link your video then. Or something else.

I might even take your word for it, that you've cleared a NiM after no practice other than a youtube video.
Your wording suggests that you haven't.
Raids have been balanced specifically against this; with just enough numbers that guilds would fail on their first runs, then fail again, till they got enough real practice with it.

It happens. But I've seen just as many, if not more, PvPers do just the same in a raid. "I'm so leet with Valor 100"... they even have the gear, they can even parse high on a dummy, and then they fail at the simplest of mechanics.

Why?
PvP is reactive. You see something happen, you respond to it on the spot. What determines winning is 1) responding at all, 2) responding first, 3) responding approximately right. Players don't throw around 25k damage blows, they don't have 200k HP, you are more or less on even grounds. To beat the other player, all you have to do is respond better than him. In other words, all you need is for him to be worse than you.

PvE is proactive. You have respond to mechanics before they even happen, and you have to respond exactly right. You can't wait till your color is called out, shuffle to the center, then start hunting for the probe. You have to be already on your way, just a second away.
There will still be mistakes. Yours, other players', game engine's. You have to have all possible mishaps in mind and ready to respond exactly right when they happen. It's far from trivial.

PvP and PvE are different games, that's all.
If we were to find a good analogy, it would be touring car racing versus rally racing.

PvP is touring cars: you're following a simple course alongside many other drivers, catch their mistakes or even push them into making one, create use your chances to overtake.
PvE is rally racing: you're mostly on your own, your partner announces turns and hills, and you have to execute just the right maneuvers to fit your car through the narrow difficult track.

Which is harder? Which is easier? We don't see rally and touring drivers dissing one another over it, and many do both.

This.

2-3 operative healers with 4 smash monkeys...

And when i was doing ranked and used anything other than those 2 things our team got destroyed by a team like that unless we just happened to be up against a bad team like that.

If enough of your smash monkeys are jugg/guard, you don't need a tank since 2-3 operative healers can stay alive so well.

That's why i say ranked pvp is scripted.

I stopped doing ranked regularly. And i don't heal on my operative anymore either. That character has been demoted to goofing off. And i run carnage mara.

This doesn't make sense to me. If you can type without looking at a keyboard which I would say the majority of players can in this game you can certainly keybind since you already know where every single key is on your board. Throw in a gaming mouse like a naga or simply one you can use modifiers with and keybinding becomes 100% more effective than clicking.

I just cannot wrap my head around how looking at what you're going to click while keyboard turning can match up with someone who mouse turns/strafes and never needs to look at his abilities outside checking cooldowns and can focus more on your situational awareness and track procs/buffs/debuffs.

All strictly referring to PvP.

Windows users instinctively know the position of the Start button, the recycle bin, etc..

It's exactly the same. If you know where your abilities are on-screen, you can click them very easily.

In fact, you only look at your bars as much as keybinders look to check cooldown timers.

It isn't magic, and keybinders are not somehow superior (even though they think they are).



Do I use keybinds? Yes.
Does that make me superior? I don't have the narcissistic illusions that most of you have.


It's like the backpedal thread. "OH NOES U SUK U CANNOT BAKPEDAL NOOB I KEEEL YOU" is a really shortsighted and arrogant view to take.

I put extra effort into backpedaling while stomping people because of that thread.

I have been perfecting the force speed backpedal taunt loop and the hydraulic overrides backpedal to the goal in huttball maneuver.

I even started working in backpedals on my combat mara with predation up that really frustrates the melee guys on the other team.

Knowing now that most "serious" players not only don't but CAN'T backpedal, and believe anyone who does must suck, has really made the game more fun for me.