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MaximusRex
09.15.2013 , 11:13 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Names are first come first serve on each server..
Well, if they had setup the servers the right way in the first place it wouldn't be an issue now.

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MajikMyst
09.15.2013 , 11:15 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
Well, if they had setup the servers the right way in the first place it wouldn't be an issue now.
How is that??

I really love it when people make statements like that, and then forget to qualify it..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

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MajikMyst
09.15.2013 , 11:19 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Calculated View Post
I'm getting tired of your comments. Who are you that gives you a supreme ability in deciding what is fair and what is not? What makes you the moral authority to dictate what is right and wrong, fair and unfair?

What does fair really mean? Okay, lets ask a dictionary:

adjective
in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate.
adverb
without cheating or trying to achieve unjust advantage..
Wow.. You can't even quote the dictionary right.. I suppose you think you are the only one on the internet who can look up a word??? Anyone can decide what is fair or not.. You still have to explain how stealing from someone else is fair.. I am not dictating anything.. You are.. You are deciding who can keep their name and who can't and under what conditions.. I think you better go back and read your posts again..


fair
1 [fair] Show IPA adjective, fair·er, fair·est, adverb, fair·er, fair·est, noun, verb
adjective
1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.
2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight.
3. moderately large; ample: a fair income.
4. neither excellent nor poor; moderately or tolerably good: fair health.
5. marked by favoring conditions; likely; promising: in a fair way to succeed.

Stealing is stealing and most people know right from wrong..

Quote: Originally Posted by SturmUndSterne View Post
You want a logical argument?

Here's a few.

"You are not a special snowflake."

"You don't deserve something someone else has just because you want it."

"It's not up to you to determine who should and should not have a character name."

I'd like them to do a name purge also, but the fact is, until they announce it, no amount of forum QQ will cause any changes. You do *not* deserve *ANY* name that is currently taken by another character. Get over it. You're not more or less special than the player who got it first. First come, first served.
A few other points to consider since you obviously have no response to mine..

Also it would be nice if you could stay on topic and stop moving the bar.. If you read your own thread.. I also agree with some of those options.. But you didn't read that did you..
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Calculated
09.15.2013 , 11:51 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Wow.. You can't even quote the dictionary right.. I suppose you think you are the only one on the internet who can look up a word??? ...But you didn't read that did you..
I have actually read every post in this thread. And if you have read my last post you would see I summarized some points people made. So yeah, we can agree on something - this should not be automated and should be on demand, highly scrutinized by BioWare.

The person who is derailing this thread is you, friend. You keep talking about what is right and wrong and what is fair and unfair. This is not a philosophical debate and I don't want to go even deeper into that. What is right and what is wrong is ultimately subjective. I don't see anything wrong with what I am proposing, you see it as (nearly) entirely wrong. Those are our points of view. Stop arguing with subjective arguments and try something exact and objective.

I have also had enough responses for your points, but you are too blind to see that, or you don't want to. Actually the same arguments apply to you - "You are not a special snowflake" and "It's not up to you to determine who should and should not have a character name.".

To reply to those arguments:
"You are not a special snowflake." - Actually, everyone of us is a "special snowflake". Everyone is unique. But I see what you mean. Yeah, I'm not special in any relevant kind of way. But it's not only about me. There are lots of players who want and would use a service like this.
"You don't deserve something someone else has just because you want it." - What each player deserves is for BioWare to decide. It is their world and their rules. Yes I want a certain name. Yes someone else has it. Does he use it? No. Does it make me deserve the name more? No. But I still believe that an active player, who would actually play a character with the name in question, bring more value to the game than a player who is inactive for years and most likely won't come back, and even if he does, I doubt he would even remember the name of some level 1 or 2 character he made years ago. Do I think it's right to take a name from someone else? No. But do I think it's theft? No, and neither do I see it as entirely wrong like you do. I feel like the reasons I have already provided are enough of a justification why this system would be beneficial to the game as a whole. I'm not saying my proposition is perfect, far from it actually. But we have to deal with limits of BioWare's world. And ultimately, it is their decision that matters.
"It's not up to you to determine who should and should not have a character name." - Again, this is BioWare's and only BioWare's decision. I am proposing a system to do this. If you have a better idea, please, go on and post it!

In the end, Suggestion Box is about things players think would improve the game. You keep bashing my proposition, with morals and what not. You keep attacking my person as well. Try to answer this: Why do you think this would not be beneficial to the game?

I do not want to presume anything, but still, part of me is saying it's only about you and your names, and the fear of losing them - it would be a rule that would be clearly targeted both for and against the players, and people ultimately don't like what could be detrimental for them. Leaving morals aside for a minute I sure hope you have better reasons.

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SturmUndSterne
09.15.2013 , 12:26 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Calculated View Post
I have actually read every post in this thread. And if you have read my last post you would see I summarized some points people made. So yeah, we can agree on something - this should not be automated and should be on demand, highly scrutinized by BioWare.

The person who is derailing this thread is you, friend. You keep talking about what is right and wrong and what is fair and unfair. This is not a philosophical debate and I don't want to go even deeper into that. What is right and what is wrong is ultimately subjective. I don't see anything wrong with what I am proposing, you see it as (nearly) entirely wrong. Those are our points of view. Stop arguing with subjective arguments and try something exact and objective.

I have also had enough responses for your points, but you are too blind to see that, or you don't want to. Actually the same arguments apply to you - "You are not a special snowflake" and "It's not up to you to determine who should and should not have a character name.".

To reply to those arguments:
"You are not a special snowflake." - Actually, everyone of us is a "special snowflake". Everyone is unique. But I see what you mean. Yeah, I'm not special in any relevant kind of way. But it's not only about me. There are lots of players who want and would use a service like this.
"You don't deserve something someone else has just because you want it." - What each player deserves is for BioWare to decide. It is their world and their rules. Yes I want a certain name. Yes someone else has it. Does he use it? No. Does it make me deserve the name more? No. But I still believe that an active player, who would actually play a character with the name in question, bring more value to the game than a player who is inactive for years and most likely won't come back, and even if he does, I doubt he would even remember the name of some level 1 or 2 character he made years ago. Do I think it's right to take a name from someone else? No. But do I think it's theft? No, and neither do I see it as entirely wrong like you do. I feel like the reasons I have already provided are enough of a justification why this system would be beneficial to the game as a whole. I'm not saying my proposition is perfect, far from it actually. But we have to deal with limits of BioWare's world. And ultimately, it is their decision that matters.
"It's not up to you to determine who should and should not have a character name." - Again, this is BioWare's and only BioWare's decision. I am proposing a system to do this. If you have a better idea, please, go on and post it!

In the end, Suggestion Box is about things players think would improve the game. You keep bashing my proposition, with morals and what not. You keep attacking my person as well. Try to answer this: Why do you think this would not be beneficial to the game?

I do not want to presume anything, but still, part of me is saying it's only about you and your names, and the fear of losing them - it would be a rule that would be clearly targeted both for and against the players, and people ultimately don't like what could be detrimental for them. Leaving morals aside for a minute I sure hope you have better reasons.
Want to know how I know you're not reading the thread? You quoted someone else's message yet you responded to my points. I'm not the same guy as the person you responded to.

Here's why reassigning names - whether randomly or not - is bad. If someone claimed a name, they have rights to it, unless they're told going in that they don't. Until BW changes the name paradigm, no amount of wanting it to change matters a great deal. This is now page 7 of this thread that is probably the 300th thread of this same topic that's posted.

You propose communication and giving players a month's notice or more. Even then, you'll have players that are deployed or otherwise unavailable who will lose their name through no fault of their own. That will drive them away from the game. Your desire to allow people to lose names will cause players to leave the game or will otherwise fracture the playerbase because they aren't able to login during your arbitrary time frame. Do you understand this?

Here's the only "fair" solution.

Change the Terms of Service to include a line that states that any player not logged in within 30, 60, 90, whatever days may have their name changed to a default random name. Publicicze this change extensively. And then prepare for the still impending firestorm as players whine that someone "stole their name" while they were playing another game/deployed/on vacation/in hospital/otherwise unable to login. This way, if someone doesn't want their name stolen, they'll know going in that they have to login every X days.

Or, of course, you could get over your anti-multilingual "immersion" and realize that extended characters and/or an apostrophe once in a while won't kill your gameplay. Just a suggestion. Half of my characters have to use an extra letter, an extended character, or an apostrophe, and I've been here since Month Two.

I got over it.

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Calculated
09.15.2013 , 12:48 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by SturmUndSterne View Post
Want to know how I know you're not reading the thread? You quoted someone else's message yet you responded to my points. I'm not the same guy as the person you responded to.
Oh god, yeah, I did not go with the trouble of quoting another post - sorry. I am actually reading all the posts, but whatever, think what you will.

Of course this would require BioWare to let people know a change like this was coming and it would need a change of TOS.

Yes, you are also right this is not the first (not even the tenth) topic on the matter, but I do not really see anything bad about that. If BioWare reads these forums, they will get reminded of this suggestion, and perhaps they will make (or change) their decision on the matter.

Why did I made this thread? I felt like this suggestion would be a) well received (as it was on reddit for example, but for a few trolls), b) it would make the game a little better. I think I am not the only one who takes 15 minutes creating a name as most options are already taken, with the knowledge that the perfect name is hold by a not played character. I did not even consider something like this before reading it is routine service in WoW. Sadly, what I have observed so far in this thread is that some of the most vocal people are also those who do not wish to discuss anything and are spamming this thread with the same statement again and again. Disagreeing is one thing, but it doesn't have to be repeated ad infinitum. But of course, what could one hope of multi player game forums.

Fortunately, you are at least trying to post logical argument not based entirely on feelings (the subjective), for that I am grateful. Honestly, I have not anticipated such a backlash against a service that would be only beneficial to active players and at least in my eyes the game as a whole.

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Ratajack
09.15.2013 , 01:09 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Calculated View Post
I have actually read every post in this thread. And if you have read my last post you would see I summarized some points people made. So yeah, we can agree on something - this should not be automated and should be on demand, highly scrutinized by BioWare.

The person who is derailing this thread is you, friend. You keep talking about what is right and wrong and what is fair and unfair. This is not a philosophical debate and I don't want to go even deeper into that. What is right and what is wrong is ultimately subjective. I don't see anything wrong with what I am proposing, you see it as (nearly) entirely wrong. Those are our points of view. Stop arguing with subjective arguments and try something exact and objective.

I have also had enough responses for your points, but you are too blind to see that, or you don't want to. Actually the same arguments apply to you - "You are not a special snowflake" and "It's not up to you to determine who should and should not have a character name.".

To reply to those arguments:
"You are not a special snowflake." - Actually, everyone of us is a "special snowflake". Everyone is unique. But I see what you mean. Yeah, I'm not special in any relevant kind of way. But it's not only about me. There are lots of players who want and would use a service like this.
"You don't deserve something someone else has just because you want it." - What each player deserves is for BioWare to decide. It is their world and their rules. Yes I want a certain name. Yes someone else has it. Does he use it? No. Does it make me deserve the name more? No. But I still believe that an active player, who would actually play a character with the name in question, bring more value to the game than a player who is inactive for years and most likely won't come back, and even if he does, I doubt he would even remember the name of some level 1 or 2 character he made years ago. Do I think it's right to take a name from someone else? No. But do I think it's theft? No, and neither do I see it as entirely wrong like you do. I feel like the reasons I have already provided are enough of a justification why this system would be beneficial to the game as a whole. I'm not saying my proposition is perfect, far from it actually. But we have to deal with limits of BioWare's world. And ultimately, it is their decision that matters.
"It's not up to you to determine who should and should not have a character name." - Again, this is BioWare's and only BioWare's decision. I am proposing a system to do this. If you have a better idea, please, go on and post it!

In the end, Suggestion Box is about things players think would improve the game. You keep bashing my proposition, with morals and what not. You keep attacking my person as well. Try to answer this: Why do you think this would not be beneficial to the game?

I do not want to presume anything, but still, part of me is saying it's only about you and your names, and the fear of losing them - it would be a rule that would be clearly targeted both for and against the players, and people ultimately don't like what could be detrimental for them. Leaving morals aside for a minute I sure hope you have better reasons.

Ok. BW has decided. They have, so far, decided NOT to allow names to be stolen from those that have them. This is, apparently, not good enough for you, since you are here begging them to do just that.

If you were truly willing to let BW make the decision, you would honor and accept the one that they have made, and not beg them to change it to suit you.

I guess that you are only willing to accept BW decisions then they favor you and what you want.

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Calculated
09.15.2013 , 01:19 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Ok. BW has decided. They have, so far, decided NOT to allow names to be stolen from those that have them. This is, apparently, not good enough for you, since you are here begging them to do just that.

If you were truly willing to let BW make the decision, you would honor and accept the one that they have made, and not beg them to change it to suit you.

I guess that you are only willing to accept BW decisions then they favor you and what you want.
Seriously? What are you doing on a board called Suggestion Box when you do not understand the concept of a suggestion? I'm not begging anyone, I'm suggesting for this system to get implemented. The thing I meant is we do not know whether they decided or not, and we won't, we only know that a system like this is not yet implemented. I am suggesting BioWare implements one.

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Ratajack
09.15.2013 , 01:33 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Calculated View Post
Oh god, yeah, I did not go with the trouble of quoting another post - sorry. I am actually reading all the posts, but whatever, think what you will.

Of course this would require BioWare to let people know a change like this was coming and it would need a change of TOS.

Yes, you are also right this is not the first (not even the tenth) topic on the matter, but I do not really see anything bad about that. If BioWare reads these forums, they will get reminded of this suggestion, and perhaps they will make (or change) their decision on the matter.

Why did I made this thread? I felt like this suggestion would be a) well received (as it was on reddit for example, but for a few trolls), b) it would make the game a little better. I think I am not the only one who takes 15 minutes creating a name as most options are already taken, with the knowledge that the perfect name is hold by a not played character. I did not even consider something like this before reading it is routine service in WoW. Sadly, what I have observed so far in this thread is that some of the most vocal people are also those who do not wish to discuss anything and are spamming this thread with the same statement again and again. Disagreeing is one thing, but it doesn't have to be repeated ad infinitum. But of course, what could one hope of multi player game forums.

Fortunately, you are at least trying to post logical argument not based entirely on feelings (the subjective), for that I am grateful. Honestly, I have not anticipated such a backlash against a service that would be only beneficial to active players and at least in my eyes the game as a whole.
You keep mentioning it as a routine service in WOW.

First, it is NOT a routine service. It may happen occasionally, but it is by no means routine. The rare times it happens, it requires GM intervention and there are strict requirements that must be met. It is not simply a case of "he has a name I want, give it to me".

Second, WOW is vastly different, in that it is a subscription ONLY game. There is a vast difference between a subscription game and one with a F2P element.

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Ratajack
09.15.2013 , 01:38 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Calculated View Post
Seriously? What are you doing on a board called Suggestion Box when you do not understand the concept of a suggestion? I'm not begging anyone, I'm suggesting for this system to get implemented. The thing I meant is we do not know whether they decided or not, and we won't, we only know that a system like this is not yet implemented. I am suggesting BioWare implements one.
If they had decided to allow it, it would be happening, would it not? You admit that there have been multiple threads begging for BW to steal names from players so that those who felt they were entitled could have them. This is NOT the first time BW has been asked to do this.

The fact is that there have been multiple threads begging for this and they do not do it. This should tell any reasonable person that they have decided NOT to do it, even if they have made no statement to that effect. Of course, this is not enough for some of the entitled masses, and so we continue to find new threads full of people begging BW to steal names from players so that the entitled masses can have those names.