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TFB NiM gear requirement


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NovaKenoby
09.06.2013 , 08:05 AM | #1
Hello. Can someone (who knows from experience) pls tell me if TFB NiM (full op-8 men) can be done if not all ppl in group are full 72 BiS and augmented with purple grade 28 augments. Thx.

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Ausgelebt
09.06.2013 , 08:19 AM | #2
Yes it can be done with not everyone 72 BiS and augmented, if the group works well together and people know mechanics. For most bosses if you have a raid dps of 11-12k you won't hit enrage.

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artikulieren
09.06.2013 , 09:10 AM | #3
Can be done, but not ideal. Ideally you'd want everyone in the 8-man group in half 69/72 with their proper set bonuses, or missing one piece, stuff like that. As for augments, people have done it with worse but at this stage in the game, it seems almost ludicrous that people wouldn't be completely augmented with purple 28(66s) on their MAIN NiM raiding characters.

It also depends which boss. WH is easy, you need something like 10k raid DPS(about 2k DPS per DPS, assuming tanks can do more than 1k DPS each for the fight). Kephess takes some effort. DG is reputed to be the hardest NiM fight in the game. I haven't tried Op9 or TfB yet.

But more importantly, your teams needs to have competent players especially if sub-optimally geared. Geared players can sometimes ignore mechanics and fight on, under-geared players need to be on top of mechanics and their classes.

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NovaKenoby
09.06.2013 , 09:42 AM | #4
Thx a lot guys, really a appreciate your answers. We had an argument about that in guild few days ago and my opinion was like you said but some ppl claimed all raid members needed full 72 BiS. Thx a lot again and I'm happy that I was right.

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KeyboardNinja
09.06.2013 , 12:19 PM | #5
You have to be really on point, but yes, you can do it with an undergeared raid. My guild has a sage healer who has subbed into NiM TfB and did so originally with 69 com gear and no set bonus. Most of the things that make NiM TfB hard are not raw output related but more a question of coordination and execution, especially since the second nerf of DG. The only places where you might have gear-related issues are with your DPS on Operator IX and The Terror itself.
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TrillOG-
09.06.2013 , 12:54 PM | #6
I wouldn't advise it, but yes it CAN be done. NiM is more of a mechanics check than anything, BUT, every boss has a dps check, some more than others, for example Terror would be extremely hard to do without people in almost to full BiS(72) gear. This is due to the enrage on the tentacles and the adds that come out having a separate enrage timer, and man is it a PIA. You can definently pick and choose bosses that you wan't to do and get gear and experience that way, for example Ops Chief could probably be done in half 69 gear with ease. Same goes for possibly horror. Just make sure your group isn't sitting around waiting for an explanation on raid day and is doing their homework on the fights ahead of time.

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RandomXChance
09.07.2013 , 01:52 PM | #7
You will be able to get away with tanks or healers not being full 72 BIS if they play their roles well. Where you will have problems is if the DPS are not. The fights in NM mode are real DPS checks.

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Falver
09.07.2013 , 02:23 PM | #8
Yes, but at the very least I advise the DPS be close to BiS 72s.
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Macio
09.23.2013 , 04:18 AM | #9
I am not sure its advisable to do it without being close to BiS gear (72s).

I was able to finally get a group capable of attempting NiM content (After gearing up loads of people from my guild only for them to stop playing when almost ready for NiM - very annoying). We are not BIS gear (most of us have not best enchantments, some new dps missing one or two relics etc etc). We have been trying first boss at TFB on NIM this week.

On first day we struggled with mechanics. I have went thru log files, watched few movies and adjust our tactics. We are now getting thru the fight almost perfectly. On two good tries we have our raid dps over 11k (each DPS is doing 2.5k+) but we hit enrage. On one other fight where we had 30 seconds left before enrage and boss at 300k health, our off tank messed up and wiped the raid (we would of make it before enrage). Did not kill him yet. Its seems to be easy boss from mechanics side (especially with two changes we made to help healers heal thru it and limit damage on the raid) but i find DPS check to be tough.



So to answer your question. Your tanks and healers don't need to be full BiS 72s to progress but your DPS needs really to be on top of their game if gear is not that great. I am ranking in top 50 for Gunslinger on plenty of fights and now rest of our group DPS is not much further behind me (used to be a problem) but we still struggle with enrage timer on Nightmare. If your DPS has all relics/implants/ear and augments then one or two enchantments wan't stop you. But i find DPS check to be the biggest issue for our group so far..

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JDotter
09.23.2013 , 05:52 AM | #10
Full 75

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