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Keybinds vs clicking

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AlrikFassbauer
09.05.2013 , 02:35 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
It tells us a lot about the wide range of skill in this game when people defend clicking like they're being put on trial for a crime they didn't commit.
No, it rather tells something about the forum's society when they feel like they're being put on trial for a crime they didn't commit.

You don't feel like that when there isn't any pressure on you.

Quote: Originally Posted by PloGreen View Post
Essentially what im saying is clicking is inferior to keybinding - Which it is.
Today's society is so much pushed towards efficiency and ROI that even parts of our society which shouldn't be affected by that actually ARE affected by that.

EVERYTHING is nowadays going towards efficiency. It is even so that there are genetic tests made to filter out the possibility of handicapped children.

Yes, Efficiency rules our lifes even so that actual handicapped people get difficulties in finding jobs, leading a normal life, and find it difficult to participate in events without being barred off ! (Simple example : Wheelchairs and stairs. And NO elevators.)

Our society has grown so that there is no room for mistakes, no room for failure, no room for inefficient behaviour anymore. You can see it by people getting kicked out of FPs & OPs because of being undergeared.
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09.05.2013 , 02:45 PM | #192
I love melees who mouse turn in PvP. All I have to do is circle-strafe them and they get all confused. It's fun to watch them spin madly and start jumping in frustration

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PloGreen
09.05.2013 , 02:48 PM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
No, it rather tells something about the forum's society when they feel like they're being put on trial for a crime they didn't commit.

You don't feel like that when there isn't any pressure on you.



Today's society is so much pushed towards efficiency and ROI that even parts of our society which shouldn't be affected by that actually ARE affected by that.

EVERYTHING is nowadays going towards efficiency. It is even so that there are genetic tests made to filter out the possibility of handicapped children.

Yes, Efficiency rules our lifes even so that actual handicapped people get difficulties in finding jobs, leading a normal life, and find it difficult to participate in events without being barred off ! (Simple example : Wheelchairs and stairs. And NO elevators.)

Our society has grown so that there is no room for mistakes, no room for failure, no room for inefficient behaviour anymore. You can see it by people getting kicked out of FPs & OPs because of being undergeared.
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ErikGW
09.05.2013 , 02:50 PM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by SecretScientist View Post
I love melees who mouse turn in PvP. All I have to do is circle-strafe them and they get all confused. It's fun to watch them spin madly and start jumping in frustration
I love when they bunny hop too. They learned both things as survival techniques in call of duty or other similar FPS environments.
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Targarion
09.05.2013 , 02:52 PM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by PloGreen View Post
Essentially what im saying is clicking is inferior to keybinding - Which it is. I have not heard one strong argument that actually proves clicking is superior other than people claiming they are amazing at pvp.

Just lots of made up ******** that doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny and people changing the argument and contradicting themselves.

At least people that bind are explaining why it is advisable, not quite heard a decent reason as to why clicking is fine other than "but i'm really good a pvp and I do fine". I honestly think if you bind abilities you will do better and improve but sure do whatever you think works for you.

I'm not forcing you to play as a binder just pointing out why I feel it is superior since that is what this thread is about no?
This an argument that will never go away. So I don't expect to say anything that will convince you of something you already made up your mind about. I have never taken a stance that clicking is superior. Maybe others have, but not me.

I believe this argument needs to be laid to rest, because SWTOR is an MMO that allows players to be good clickers. If one day they make it possible for players to cast multiple abilities at the same time. Then I will change over to key binding. Because the only way you can play that kind of MMO is to be a keybinder.

You can have the final say. I am done with this discussion.
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Yestreen
09.05.2013 , 03:11 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Targarion View Post
I hope you can understand that I am speaking as a person who prefers to click. I am not speaking for other gamers out there. You choose the way you feel works best for you. That attitude isn't tripe.


That is perhaps your experience clicking, so essentially what you are saying is. You are a slow clicker, and an inefficient clicker. Okay. You have no argument from me.

Well unfortunately for you, speculation is not a valid argument not even an honest one. I can't obviously prove to you over the computer that I am a better pvper than you. But I will say this. The two years I have been playing swtor, if I were still an incompetent pvper, I would have converted to keybinding long ago.

You can presume whatever you want. It will not influence my game in anyway.

Well this is fail in logic, because the main difference between a piano and swtor's game engine is a piano has no limit speed rate on how fast you can go. Swtor does. We call it a cool down. You have to wait for the cool down to reach a certain point before you can trigger another ability.

Also if in SWTOR you cannot actually trigger two abilities at the same time. Then yes I would agree with you 100% that key binding is the only way to go. BUT give me just one example when you can hit two abilities at the same time and both will trigger in situ?

It's not an elitist to be a key binder, it's elitist to insinuate that everyone else needs to be.

If I were "cannon fodder" I would have converted to key binding long ago as no one likes to lose. Hence by all means underestimate a clicker. It only works in our favor.
1. Sure, do whatever feels most comfortable and works best for you. However, if you took the time to learn keybinding then I guarantee it will feel more comfortable in the long term

2. I have not seen any top-tier pvpers click. You may be a good player as a clicker but you will never be the best.

3. There are several abilities that do not respect the global cooldown. Interrupts, taunts, some defensive cool downs, CC break are the first ones that come to mind. In this scenario using keybinds is clearly faster. Therefore the piano analogy holds.

4. See point #2. The best pvpers in this game are, from my experience, in a league of their own when it comes to PVP in this game. none of them click and all of them keybind. all of them consider clickers cannon-fodder. so, once again, you may be a good clicker, but you will never be playing optimally. This applies to ALL pc games, not just SWTOR. For an excellent example, look at Starcraft. There is absolutely NO WAY you can perform 30, 20, or even 10 actions per second clicking. Same rule applies in SWTOR, WOW, GW2,FFXIV etc.

5. I am not saying everyone needs to be a keybinder. What I am doing is telling you, based on experience and facts, that keybinding is always going to be superior to clicking.
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Yestreen
09.05.2013 , 03:15 PM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Targarion View Post
If one day they make it possible for players to cast multiple abilities at the same time. Then I will change over to key binding.

You can have the final say. I am done with this discussion.
Once again, there are already several abilities that do not respect the global cooldown. So, by your own statement, you should start changing over to key binding because you are already a year too late
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09.05.2013 , 03:29 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by ErikGW View Post
I think it's funny that the tards who buy a 20-button mouse think they are better than people who click.

And for the record, i use a trackball because it's faster and more accurate than a mouse with no wrist movement. I can also play entirely with keybinds or entirely with clicking (a lot more effort) which is great for lighting a cigarette mid-battle.
Those "tards" with *17 button mouses ARE better than people who click and keyboard turn. Keybinding is much faster and more fluid, FACT. There is no argument that clicking is more effective or better. All you're doing is effectively gimping your team and adding more weight for your teammates to carry. I know, I clicked once too. Never again. Unbind your keyboard-turning binds as well and learn to mouse-turn. It takes a week or so, but it is WAY better.

Here's an example of my keybinds that I spent lots of time perfecting, and I think they're organized pretty well.

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5ecf0593.jpg
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09.05.2013 , 04:13 PM | #199
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Khan-doh-hh
09.05.2013 , 04:16 PM | #200
BW should make an obstacle course designed to test keybinding vs clicking. We shouldn't need to post analogies to prove an obvious point.

Clicking is an option that can yield passable results given the right circumstances and experience with the game.

....

Actually BW should just do us all a favour and remove clicking from all standard abilities/rotations.

Quote: Originally Posted by So-low View Post
I don't always click, but when I do, I click with the UI off.

As if clicking isn't already enough of a handicap haha. So-low ftw.
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