Worst P2W I've seen.

Bought a hypercrate with real life currency.

Sold it for milions of credits.

Bought PVE end-game mods from GTM.

How is this NOT pay to win?

#howmadarewerightnow

but... but... it does

The internet always agrue's this topic without defineing first what type of mmo you are applying the P2W definintion to...

Sadly it does make a diffrence.

Initial investments and subscription boundries usually negate microtransactions for the majority of "AAA" mmo's. Only recently have the bigger mmo's gotten into the trend. None have taken as far as SWTOR. They have more isolated cases of mounts (wow) and armor (eq) but none have offered so much of their content behind a sceme such as EA has.

F2P in an MMO where there is no "winning" really means that any advancement at all big or small is paying to win. Make your life easier, get better gear faster....normally in free mmo's, this is what drives microtransactions and thus profit. In such enviorements, deveolopers dont get paid without these microtransactions. EA/Bioware are double dipping, end of story.

Swtor had and initial investment for the majority of its subscriber base that STILL, to this day, are paying for content updates on the CM to be made and that are taking up room in my content cadence. UNACCEPTABLE.

If this game was P2W, there would be Advanced Hilt 35, displayed as a level 78 modification, Item Rating 180, and only found in Cartel Lightsabers.

At the very least the cash shop would offer 75's; it's arguable that they're impossible to obtain in-game for 99% of players.
As it stands, with the exception of lvl10 crystals and lv7 space gear, the cash shop offers nothing that isn't easily found in-game, other than visuals.

What an awful waste of a great game and some great content.

The billions of credits floating around needs sorting out.

The fact that there's so many things that can be bought for RL cash and then sold to easily build up enormous piles of credits which are then turned into game-difficulty defining gear is ridiculous. At the least packs and market items bought should have the binding time removed and be permanently bound to legacy to allow moving items to an appropriate toon of the buyer's. Things like helping f2p items should still be tradable but the rest allows pay2win to an insane degree.

I understand the company philosophy and "The game needs to be profitable" but seriously, how many mmo's have a significant life-span with this type of economy?

What an awful waste of a great game and some great content.

The billions of credits floating around needs sorting out.

The fact that there's so many things that can be bought for RL cash and then sold to easily build up enormous piles of credits which are then turned into game-difficulty defining gear is ridiculous. At the least packs and market items bought should have the binding time removed and be permanently bound to legacy to allow moving items to an appropriate toon of the buyer's. Things like helping f2p items should still be tradable but the rest allows pay2win to an insane degree.

I understand the company philosophy and "The game needs to be profitable" but seriously, how many mmo's have a significant life-span with this type of economy?

What an awful waste of a great game and some great content.

The billions of credits floating around needs sorting out.

The fact that there's so many things that can be bought for RL cash and then sold to easily build up enormous piles of credits which are then turned into game-difficulty defining gear is ridiculous. At the least packs and market items bought should have the binding time removed and be permanently bound to legacy to allow moving items to an appropriate toon of the buyer's. Things like helping f2p items should still be tradable but the rest allows pay2win to an insane degree.

I understand the company philosophy and "The game needs to be profitable" but seriously, how many mmo's have a significant life-span with this type of economy?