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Can we get a developer dialogue going on why class stories are not in the cards?

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Can we get a developer dialogue going on why class stories are not in the cards?

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ZionHalcyon
09.04.2013 , 03:35 PM | #121
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Trust me, if I could get someone to actually take me seriously for five seconds, I'd ask the Writing Team a lot of questions, as it is... well, I'm the crazy lady that everyone hates.
The thing of it is, I think the original team fully intended to continue class stories.

Open ended items include:
  • Revan (actually confirmed by Hal Hood as still alive)
  • Malgus (originally you dropped him into a pit, but never actually saw him die - more recently they let you straight up kill him, probably because they tried to half-*** closing that plot point)
  • Imperial Agent (can be a blacklist op for the Empire, a free agent, or an SIS doubleagent based on choices. And Watcher X is still out there.)
  • Sith Warrior (You are the Emperor's Wrath. The Emperor was never meant to be dead. Jedi Knight Killed his voice, but not him. Since the new team came on board they're trying very hard to convince people this isn't the case, even calling Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior endings a contradiction - I prefer the Obiwan term of a certain point of view).
  • Sith Inquisitor (You're now a dark council member - doing grunt work should be beneath you)


And thats just a start.

Would be nice to continue these stories, or if the writing team is THAT desperate to end those storylines, at least do it in a believable fashion that doesn't feel rushed or half-assed.

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ZionHalcyon
09.04.2013 , 03:36 PM | #122
By the way, if it were me?

I'd continue Revan and Malgus's story by developing a bigger story for both of them - a massive intertwining story - and make BOTH of them available as companions.

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Tatile
09.04.2013 , 03:51 PM | #123
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By the way, if it were me?

I'd continue Revan and Malgus's story by developing a bigger story for both of them - a massive intertwining story - and make BOTH of them available as companions.
As nice as I'm sure it would be to see Revan again (I never played the KoToR games), I'm finding that the constant "Oh, there are the Dread Masters... and then the Hutts... and then this evil business mwaherr" in relation to end-game and expansion, is driving the focus away form the supposedly giant galactic war that's apparently raging across the galaxy. Yes, each side suffers loses and weakens while another strengthens and it would be ludicrous to assume that a war on this scale is a series of constant battles, but the lack of mention makes it seem like an after-thought. Or to excuse the PvP crowd.

People have asked for class-based dailies before and something like that could work. Darth Nox doing field work across various parts of the galaxy (known and new) to find old Jedi and Sith and earlier-era secrets and lost knowledge. The Wrath spreading terror in the Emperor's name and emboldening the troops with her presence (also finding lost pieces of His power to give to the Hand to rebuild him). The Bounty Hunter could recon military targets, officials, bodyguard for Imperial diplomats and generally be an all-round Mercenary.

And the Agent... espionage on Republic bases, spying on Sith Lords. Protecting the interests of the Empire both at home and abroad. Destroy a Republic lab, take their technology, slice into their internal-holonet, upload a virus, deliver goods to a small, but slowing growing, elite band of Imperial loyalists working underneath Kaas City itself, to rebuild Imperial Intelligence independent of Sith meddling. Find new vaccines to protect the troops, new hyperspace routes for better delivery of resources, new armour and weapon designs.

Sorry, I just love Cipher Nine.

Cipher Nine <3

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TW-Cool
09.04.2013 , 04:21 PM | #124
I would love new class stories to be released... even if it's just one small story. It would give me reason to take multiple same faction characters through Makeb and whatever other planet quests are in the works. I dont need to have new quests if that's the issue... just make the conversation be different and unique.

And please let my companions talk to me again... either that or have them at least say they hate me and will be taking several months off lol.

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ZionHalcyon
09.04.2013 , 04:31 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
As nice as I'm sure it would be to see Revan again (I never played the KoToR games), I'm finding that the constant "Oh, there are the Dread Masters... and then the Hutts... and then this evil business mwaherr" in relation to end-game and expansion, is driving the focus away form the supposedly giant galactic war that's apparently raging across the galaxy. Yes, each side suffers loses and weakens while another strengthens and it would be ludicrous to assume that a war on this scale is a series of constant battles, but the lack of mention makes it seem like an after-thought. Or to excuse the PvP crowd.

People have asked for class-based dailies before and something like that could work. Darth Nox doing field work across various parts of the galaxy (known and new) to find old Jedi and Sith and earlier-era secrets and lost knowledge. The Wrath spreading terror in the Emperor's name and emboldening the troops with her presence (also finding lost pieces of His power to give to the Hand to rebuild him). The Bounty Hunter could recon military targets, officials, bodyguard for Imperial diplomats and generally be an all-round Mercenary.

And the Agent... espionage on Republic bases, spying on Sith Lords. Protecting the interests of the Empire both at home and abroad. Destroy a Republic lab, take their technology, slice into their internal-holonet, upload a virus, deliver goods to a small, but slowing growing, elite band of Imperial loyalists working underneath Kaas City itself, to rebuild Imperial Intelligence independent of Sith meddling. Find new vaccines to protect the troops, new hyperspace routes for better delivery of resources, new armour and weapon designs.

Sorry, I just love Cipher Nine.

Cipher Nine <3
I think having Malgus and Revan as companions could actually bring the focus back around to the greater war at large and the Emperor - it could tie everything back in to a greater power play by the Emperor to become a diety again, this time getting all the classes and not just Jedi Knight involved in stopping him.

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Tatile
09.04.2013 , 04:42 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
I think having Malgus and Revan as companions could actually bring the focus back around to the greater war at large and the Emperor - it could tie everything back in to a greater power play by the Emperor to become a diety again, this time getting all the classes and not just Jedi Knight involved in stopping him.
The Imperial plot-line would most likely involve the Council working to defeat Him in secret, but keeping Him as a figurehead for the Imperial people. Darth Nox would most likely have to work with getting the Council to decide on doing it (without stabbing everyone in the back), whereas the Wrath would have to decide whether to obliterate Him (and in so doing, lose their status as Wrath but probably gain something from the Council) or ferret away a part of Him, so that He can return later (like hundreds of years.)

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Lord-Aleph
09.04.2013 , 05:17 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
I think having Malgus and Revan as companions could actually bring the focus back around to the greater war at large and the Emperor - it could tie everything back in to a greater power play by the Emperor to become a diety again, this time getting all the classes and not just Jedi Knight involved in stopping him.
I mentioned in a different thread a few days ago that Revan could be brought back through a new storyline of some sort as a companion, so I would be all over that.

Also agree with what was said about class dailies (which could also be weeklies).

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ZionHalcyon
09.04.2013 , 11:02 PM | #128
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The Imperial plot-line would most likely involve the Council working to defeat Him in secret, but keeping Him as a figurehead for the Imperial people. Darth Nox would most likely have to work with getting the Council to decide on doing it (without stabbing everyone in the back), whereas the Wrath would have to decide whether to obliterate Him (and in so doing, lose their status as Wrath but probably gain something from the Council) or ferret away a part of Him, so that He can return later (like hundreds of years.)
Actually, I think the Malgus story would be about him finding out the Emperor's plan to wipe out all life to become a demi-god and recreate life in a new galaxy, and how he played traitor to the Empire to protect it, and depending on whether you are rep or imp, the story would either be Malgus's defection or redemption as he sheds light on the Emperor's mechanications.

Revan would be his struggles with the dark side and walking that line between Revan and Darth Revan, with the main secret to be revealed that Malgus had visited him repeatedly when he was in maelstrom prison, and the two somehow were interconnected in a plot to destroy the emperor once and for all.

Those 2 companion stories could bring everything back into the main plot of how the Emperor is trying to orchestrate everything including the war towards a ritual for his transition to demi-godness, where the loss of life in the war is feeding this ritual, slowly and over time.

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chuixupu
09.05.2013 , 01:57 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
The thing of it is, I think the original team fully intended to continue class stories.

Open ended items include:
  • Revan (actually confirmed by Hal Hood as still alive)
  • Malgus (originally you dropped him into a pit, but never actually saw him die - more recently they let you straight up kill him, probably because they tried to half-*** closing that plot point)
  • Imperial Agent (can be a blacklist op for the Empire, a free agent, or an SIS doubleagent based on choices. And Watcher X is still out there.)
  • Sith Warrior (You are the Emperor's Wrath. The Emperor was never meant to be dead. Jedi Knight Killed his voice, but not him. Since the new team came on board they're trying very hard to convince people this isn't the case, even calling Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior endings a contradiction - I prefer the Obiwan term of a certain point of view).
  • Sith Inquisitor (You're now a dark council member - doing grunt work should be beneath you)


And thats just a start.

Would be nice to continue these stories, or if the writing team is THAT desperate to end those storylines, at least do it in a believable fashion that doesn't feel rushed or half-assed.
Just want to point out about Watcher X:

Spoiler
Wardens of Fate / Alea Iacta Est
The Tarkus Legacy ~ The Harbinger/Jedi Covenant

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Tatile
09.05.2013 , 03:52 AM | #130
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Actually, I think the Malgus story would be about him finding out the Emperor's plan to wipe out all life to become a demi-god and recreate life in a new galaxy, and how he played traitor to the Empire to protect it, and depending on whether you are rep or imp, the story would either be Malgus's defection or redemption as he sheds light on the Emperor's mechanications.

Revan would be his struggles with the dark side and walking that line between Revan and Darth Revan, with the main secret to be revealed that Malgus had visited him repeatedly when he was in maelstrom prison, and the two somehow were interconnected in a plot to destroy the emperor once and for all.

Those 2 companion stories could bring everything back into the main plot of how the Emperor is trying to orchestrate everything including the war towards a ritual for his transition to demi-godness, where the loss of life in the war is feeding this ritual, slowly and over time.
I can't particularly talk on Malgus or Revan, due to a lack of research on my part, but I don't see how the movements of class-specific "generic" stories have to mutually exclusive of the Revgus story. In fact you could more easily justify parts of the class-specific stories if they have either of the two as companions (though I would think at implementation in the real world of Bioware: Austin, Revan would be an unlikely candidate for companion-ship and we'd end up with Malgus), though I have a hard time picturing Malgus convincing a Bounty Hunter to do anything (unstoppable force meets immovable object type deal, due to a lack of adequate lubrication on Malgus's part) and I can't imagine anything less than a disillusioned Hand of Jadus actually working with Malgus when it comes to Cipher Nine. Unless they can agree on scheming. Malgus was very good at scheming.

"Yes, Darth Malgus, I thank you for your priceless input but... I'm shutting the door now, bye."
"Ah, but I am not a member of the Dark Council."
"...how did you know about that?"
"It's cold out here in space."