Why Smash Should Not be Nerfed

I never understood why they changed smash/sweep to not follow the animation, but most (if not all?) other abilities still respect their animation delay.

That being said, I wouldn't mess with smash marauders yet. I mean it is clearly broken in warzones, but if they are balancing for 4v4 there hasn't been enough time to really see. I had one bad session against double mara on the PTS and was really questioning even playing this game, swtiched specs to madness/lethality and so far we're farming it. I don't see that changing. Marauders can't cleanse their healer. Smash is faceroll and cleaves are easier to play. Its going to take time for people to figure out the comps that might counter them. If that makes sense.

Has nothing to do with easy, the spec simply takes 0 skill. Force exhaustion, smash, find something that's not on cooldown until they are back up, rinse repeat. Literally a 5 year old could get top dps in a wz with smash spec.

Really?

You can't compare shroud to undying rage.

Why? Because that are 2 different abilities with 2 completely different purposes.
I will rarely pop shroud to save my life, it's more of a utility ability than it is a lifesaver.

However in undying rage, no matter what you do.. That marauder is NOT going to die in the next 4 seconds.
Buying time to get healed up, or get away. Whatever it is undying rage promotes playing super recklessly.

I can very much still die in shroud even if used at 50%+ btw. All it requires is for people to switch to white attacks.

Because there's a huge difference between tactical 30% protection and 50% redirection from one player only for a total of 300k-500k protection, only 150k-200k of that prevented completely, and flat-out team-wide nullification of damage for 1-2 million per match.

So if the problem with undying rage is the invincibility while losing zero offensive ability, why not just give maras/sents a 4 second stun instead? Then their AoE mez replaces their undying rage as the "i'm getting ganked by a group, need an out" move, and their new 4 second stun is their "i need an ace in the hole to win this 1v1" move. And they never have invincibility.

Does that balance maras/sents? And I don't mean smash specs, because if smash spec is a problem but annie and carnie aren't problems, then AC abilities aren't what need addressing. The only way undying rage is a problem is if the whole AC is a problem for PvP.

I'd also like to address an earlier post you made about mara/sent DCDs. Other dps classes have DCDs on par with those.

Rebuke, like Undying Rage, can be countered by simply disengaging for a short period of time (6 and 4 seconds, respectively).

And for Camo, complaining about the speed boost seems silly. Sure, it comes as part of the ability, whereas the Stealther ACs have to invest to get that, but it's only 1 stealth ability, and it only lasts 4 seconds, as opposed to the Stealther ACs which get 2 abilities to enter stealth (one while in combat, and Stealth), and their stealth lasts indefinitely. Force Camo and Stealth are very different abilities that fulfill very different purposes, and comparing them seems pointless.

Other classes can pop their DCDs all at the same time, too, to become very difficult to kill. On my Deception Assassin, popping Deflection with Dark Embrace (which you automatically get when exiting stealth) is comparable to Saber Ward and Rebuke.

I will admit, I'm a bit biased: I play Carnage Mara and Combat Sentinel as my primaries. But against other good players, I don't feel like I'm playing godmode. Nothing worse than popping Undying Rage to finish off the Assassin (who got the first strike, mind you), only to have him Force Cloak...then reappear a few seconds later, leading with a spike or low slash or electrocute, and finishing me off. There's also nothing more gratifying than doing that to a sent/mara when I'm on my Sin...

Thanks for yours posts guys - And that's why Rage will not be changed at this time. Smash will seem OP until the day the ranged kids stop comparing their CDs to a completely different class and stop expecting/wanting to be a 30m Warrior.... and learn to exploit their own strengths... and leverage their other 7 / 3 team members... and learn to play the class they chose... and L2P.

OR, just ask the devs why sniper is so far and beyond any of the other ranged classes.

PT was the only class that, if at all, and due to its limitations, needed a little something and they have gotten it. Nerf Op healz and let the fun times roll.

I do agree with you here. It can't be some flat nerf. I think things need to be changed (singularity stacking on a single target, instead of the smasher would cause one player to take the large amount and the others to take a reasonable amount. not my idea, read it elsewhere) and that includes balancing smash, not destroying like the did pryotech. Smash isn't a problem only because of itself, it is also due to the overall balance of other specs.

Edit: Seeng, where are your vids at? you said to check em out last night when we were in that huttball

OMG THE DEFENSIVE COOL DOWNS.... How come other melee classes can't do the same? Did you ever think you take more damage on the team because you can survive the longest? If I had a PT that could do the same as you guys, I would probably take that same amount of damage as you do. You're argument here is flawed.

OMG THE AOE... Yes it's auto crit aoe. I wish I had abilities that auto crit on my other classes like you guys do. More over, I wish I had an aoe auto crit ability on an orbital strike. The other problem with Smash, is you can't avoid it like you can most other aoe abilities in this game.

OMG I JUST SUCK.... Good, I would rather see another class on top over smashers. Easy spec. It doesn't take a lot of skill to leap into a group and smash to get numbers. Furthermore, maras and jugs have other specs that will still do good damage unlike some of the other classes like Bounty Hunters.

Force push out of cover,enrage,jump to them,sundering assault,smash. Its what happens to me on my sniper all the time if I am caught by a jugg/guardian. Now that that is answered can I hear your response?

Wait, what? Juggs/Mara can do it... and the only other 2 melee classes are stealth? 2 visible - 2 invisible (5 if counting PT). Did you ever think that melee takes more dmg on the team because.. melee is at the epicenter of the fight? by necessity, always; and hence the CDs? Ranged may decide to set foot into the core of a massive fight, but they most definitely don't have to (thats what the tank/melee DDs should be doing). Melee may decide to set foot outside the core of a massive fight, but they most definitely.... wait... why would melee do that? stand on the sideline and look pretty?

I wish I had force push. A stun. I wish my only 30m attack had 5 second cool down. Yes, smash cannot be avoided for the most part (it can in reality). The stronger/smarter players have learned to often times anticipate the unavoidable... and avoid it (I know... it's a mind-blowing concept).

You probably are some butthurt BH. And let me tell you that I know of at least 5 PTs in the bastion that'll melt your face off in a jiffy son, and do just fine overall. I noticed you said BH, if not PT then, are you trying to say DD Mercs suck? that's not gonna go well around here... Wait and what's this about "Rather see another class on top"... on top of what? report card fluff-numbers? are you new?

This is a silly-fkn-thread anyway... get out of my face ***** nO'Obs...