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Keybinds vs clicking

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Keybinds vs clicking

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Shakhaar
09.03.2013 , 02:43 PM | #21
If you click, you practically have to keyboardturn, since you cannot use your mouse to move. Is that bad? Well, comparatively speaking, yes.

For instance in a melee 1v1 fight, you will find that the person keyboardturning deals considerably less damage because half of the time they get the error message that they are not facing their target, who is moving around them. This, for melee, is a huge difference. I can for instance survive melee keyboardturning DPS by just running around them, and they have to blow their CDs just to get me in one place. There is no statistic on this, but I would imagine that the melee keyboardturner deals 30% or so less damage just because half of the time they are "not facing their target".

From a healer perspective, keybinds are considerably quicker. Does it make a difference if I get Kolto Probes on my whole team because I have them keybound or if I get them on half of the team because I have to click the player, click the ability, click another player? Yes, a huge difference.

You need to imagine the picture in a sort of, who gets more abilities in. Obviously someone who gets more abilities in, as keybinds are faster is more efficient, especially in PvP.

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Evolixe
09.03.2013 , 02:45 PM | #22
The amount of time it takes for someone to get used to a full set of keybindings after having clicked for a very long amount of time completely differs per person.

It might've taken you 2 weeks, It took me 1-2 days. You just have to stand strong.
Because after a while, those keybindings are going to save your life.
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cub-lover
09.03.2013 , 02:48 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
You can't speak. You havn't fully keybinded.

I've been a clicker once, and for the last 3 years a fully decked out keybinder. Clicking is bad.

If you made the change you would agree with me, but untill you have done so.. your opinion is void.
here's a list of all the keybinds i use on my scoundrel F1 F2 F3 F V Q R T H J 7 8 for my second quick bar that is
For my third quick bar i use 1 2 3 4 5 6, and i find no diffrence in clicking than i do in using my binds since i click and use my bidns.

my first quickbar is justh te default 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 =

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MasterBLASTERpl
09.03.2013 , 02:50 PM | #24
No matter how much you like clicking you will perform better with keybinding. It's a no-brainer stuff. You like it - it's your game your experience, but keybinding is a more pro version of this game and imo it's much more comfortable.

If it's your first MMO, you like this genre, so starts saving money for Logitech G600 (preferable) or Razer Naga, you won't regret a cent that you spend on this hardware.

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Targarion
09.03.2013 , 02:52 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by So-low View Post
When I am on my carnage marauder and I see a keyboard turner I berkerk > leap to the back of the sorc > ravage. Since their AOE knockback is a cone they have to turn their toon around quickly to not eat ravage ticks. And since they are rooted they cannot jump and turn. A keyboard turner will not be able to knock me back in time and likely die while a mouse turner would stop me with ease.

So how is it not needed at all again?
Yeah but an experience sorc dps or healer would know when to use force barrier which would eat up all your tics and crits. Then slow you down while you wait for the GCD, and dot you up. Get a safe distance away and hit range dps crits on you as you slowly die from the inside. We would also pop our self heal trinket just to absorb what dps you gained on us.

Not so simple when you face off against an experience pvper clicker or not.
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Shakhaar
09.03.2013 , 02:52 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
The amount of time it takes for someone to get used to a full set of keybindings after having clicked for a very long amount of time completely differs per person.

It might've taken you 2 weeks, It took me 1-2 days. You just have to stand strong.
Because after a while, those keybindings are going to save your life.
I think it's best when people just add their keybinds while leveling up. That way they can get used to every new ability as they pick it up during the leveling process rather than trying to remember keybinds for 6 abilities when you were so much used to clicking them.

What I struggle with is alts - when I've learnt to asociate this and this key with Kolto Probe and this and this key with Kolto Injection I just don't think of those keys when playing a DPS character, I keep thinking they are my mains binds.

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Evolixe
09.03.2013 , 03:00 PM | #27
Here is the list of my keybinds:

~
1
2
3
4
5
6

Q
E
R
T
S
F
G
Z
X
V

Alt + 1
Alt + 2
Alt + 3
Alt + 4
Alt + 5
Alt + 6
Alt + -
Alt + Q
Alt + E
Alt + R
Alt + T
Alt + S
Alt + F
Alt + G
Alt + Z
Alt + X
Alt + V

Shift + 1
Shift + 2
Shift + 3
Shift + 4
Shift + 5
Shift + 6
Shift + -
Shift + Q
Shift + E
Shift + R
Shift + T
Shift + S
Shift + F
Shift + G
Shift + Z
Shift + X
Shift + V

F1
F2

Naga 1
Naga 2
Naga 3
Naga 4
Naga 5
Naga 6
Naga 7
Naga 8
Naga 9
Naga 10
Naga 11
Naga 12

Shift + Naga 1
Shift + Naga 2
Shift + Naga 3
Shift + Naga 4
Shift + Naga 5
Shift + Naga 6
Shift + Naga 7
Shift + Naga 8
Shift + Naga 9
Shift + Naga 10
Shift + Naga 11
Shift + Naga 12

Alt + Naga 1
Alt + Naga 2
Alt + Naga 3
Alt + Naga 4
Alt + Naga 5
Alt + Naga 6
Alt + Naga 7
Alt + Naga 8
Alt + Naga 9
Alt + Naga 10
Alt + Naga 11
Alt + Naga 12

Middle Mouse button
Shift + Middle Mouse Button
Alt + Middle Mouse button

Alt + Scroll up
Shift + Scroll up

Alt + Scroll down
Shift + Scroll down

Mouse button 4
Mouse button 5

Tab
Alt + Tab
Shift + Tab

And some ui features on the right side of the keyboard that I cannot reach with my movement keys on WAD.
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madcappah
09.03.2013 , 03:03 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Shakhaar View Post
What I struggle with is alts - when I've learnt to asociate this and this key with Kolto Probe and this and this key with Kolto Injection I just don't think of those keys when playing a DPS character, I keep thinking they are my mains binds.

Alts can be confusing. Set them up as similar as you can. On all of my alts I have breakers, medpacs, adrenals, executes, etc., all set up on the same keybindings. From there it's just remembering the different rotations and necessary procs.

I do find it funny when I'm on my sniper's first wz of the day and I go rushing into the melee like I'm on my jugg main and I'm wondering why my sundering assault won't work. I decided to make all my characters as different looking as possible with regard to size and color so I have a subconscious reference to which alt I'm on, it helps.
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madcappah
09.03.2013 , 03:06 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
Here is the list of my keybinds:
.
And you use all of those? wow!


I seem to be able to get by on all of my characters with my naga and the shift key and a few things bound to the F1-F8 keys and a few others around WASD.
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Evolixe
09.03.2013 , 03:08 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by madcappah View Post
And you use all of those? wow!
Not in this game. I use about half of them.

There is nothing more to bind.. I mean I could bind my quick travel but lol..

My quickbars are all full anyway.
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