Why Smash Should Not be Nerfed

Regardless, it really shouldn't matter. Balancing for low level PvP turned out to be a mistake that--in my opinion--was never rectified.

These Devs play favorites and I was just trying to point out that elite's playing one of the devs favorite specs and classes so hes got nothing to worry about

I agree to that.

And - to make matters worse - no-one of the "Pro's" is ever interested in seeing that being worked on.

ALL discussions here are ENTIRELY focused on Ranked. The skills, the spects, the trees, everything.

Not a single word about low-level - PvP.

Because everyone brings their mental firewall down when the words "low-level PvP" are mentioned somewhere.



Plus, they probably exclusively Ranked or at least End-Level - PvP, too.

Very cynical point of view, and the recent impolite answers just strengthen this impression ("Perception problem", for example).

Smash damage is fine, it's marauder survivability that is too strong relative to other melee DPS.

I strongly disagree with the suggestions to make smash less powerful as an AoE. Smash is the warrior's AoE spec and thus AoE pressure is what it should accomplish. If anything, smash is slightly too strong at single target DPS and that's where an offensive nerf should be if anywhere at all.

Marauders were initially designed without Force Camo and Obfuscate. During early closed beta, the PvP team added those two cooldowns based on a knee-jerk reaction to testers saying that the class was too easy to kill. The thing is, most of those testers were low-mid level players and marauders are late bloomers. This led to most people thinking marauders sucked soon after the game's release, when in actuality they were strong all along. I played a marauder during beta and for a year after release, and admittedly low level PvP was pretty miserable without Force Camo back then so I understood all the complaints at the time.

The point is, marauders have been defensively overpowered for such a long time now that the necessary changes to put them in the same league as all the other melee will probably never happen. Removing camo really wouldn't break the class, but it would create outrage among all the warriors who have gotten used to having 3 lives (with healers) available on a short cooldown.

It's too early to speak for 4v4 balance yet, but 1500+ 8v8 ranked games have taught me that using any other melee class in place of a 2 marauder frontline is settling for something that is beyond noticably worse in almost every way. That is the definition of a massive imbalance, but hey--at least they're fun to play.

Marauders are a guilty pleasure.

The argument of something being fine because there is a chance that it might be countered is so stupidly flawed I don't even know where to start on telling you how dumb that post was.

The point of undying is to give you 4 more seconds to live without having to worry about getting killed. At all.
Once you lived through those 4 seconds undying has done it's job, what comes after that hasn't got anything to do with the ability.

The problem is that you can take FULL healing while being literally invincible. Those 4 seconds of you and your healer not having to worry about dying is stupidly OP.

How about you L2P OP. Try a spec that has a more than 2 ability rotation and the hardest hitting instant ability in the game which is also AoE.

If you want to have a serious discussion, then try something a bit more intelligent than "L2P smash monkey is so easy!"

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Somebody sounds sore that Pyro got nerfed while it was FOTM, and Smash takes so long to be brought down. Tested AP on the PTR. It. Is. AWESOME.

I agree, him saying that smash is only a 2 button rotation is arrogant, everyone knows it's 3 buttons.

Seriously, I have no problem with smash and don't think it needs nerfed, but never compare the skill level required of other classes to smash.