Worst P2W I've seen.

lol
Logic is not your friend today, is it?
You bought things that are not BiS by spending real life money. You didn't buy them from the Cartel Market. The items you bought were crafted by other players (not from the CM). You could've been making those items too and making credits in order to buy anything else you want to get your gear to BiS, instead of having to spend extra money.
The items you got were not more powerful than what you could've got from raiding - they were not even as good as you could've got from raiding.
But please, continue spending money on a "dead game" so that you can get things you could've got by playing the game (and even better ones, tbh) and trying to make it sound clever.

Also, hashtags don't prove a point. They're the Twitter generation's "I'm trying to make what I'm saying sound hip and witty, when it really isn't". Just FYI.

The cartel market isn't filled with pay to win items.

But through its cosmetic virtual effects and its ingame value, it can be sold within the game and that in game currency can be spent on improving your PVE gear with armorings/mods/enhancement that you could gain from Operations.

So again, it's possible to buy good end game gear from selling Cartel Market items. But it's indirectly. But still a way to "pay to win" since I used real life currency to indirectly buy end-game gear.

You can't deny that this is fact.

#howmadarewerightnow

So all the other people saying you're wrong also 'couldn't possibly understand'?
Riiight. I believe you. Really.

Perhaps they have end-game characters in which case their opinions bear more weight. Even if they're wrong

You obviously haven't seen many F2P MMOs then, if you consider this the worst P2W you've ever seen.

You can't buy the best PVE gear (you can in Neverwinter) and you can't buy ANY PVP gear.

So what are you paying to win...varactyls?

Kids stop spamming this is not a P2W game . Play Lotro or neverwinter and then you see and btw i have lots of high level chars and if i need gear i need to play and farm and not spend moey to buy gear and all things are on gtn to buy with game creditss and not real money.

Heh,

It definitely is the worse P2W I have ever seen... because it's not a P2W game

So what if people spend RL money on hyper crates and sell them on the GTN. They have to wait for someone to come along with enough credits to buy it, and just spent more money on the cartel market than it would of cost them to go to a gold farmer for equal amount. Plus how much you can make from dailies alone anyway.

Ok. So let's say they bought their PvE gear with the credits from where ever they came via RL money. How is that effecting me since PvE doesn't really pit you against each other. Unless the NPC's cry nerf because you *** smashed them to bits with your GTN acquired gear.

Everyone in this game has the choice of being self sufficient, or spending millions.

"But I don't have much time to play because of RL" - and? it's not a race. Take your time.

If the story and grind sucked then I wouldn't wanna put up with grinding the mid tier of gear anyway, would I? There's no advantage that I can think of that the person would have over me other than getting there quicker. I'll enjoy it at my own pace, thank you.

Now if PvP items / armouring could be bought with credits, that would be a different story due to obvious reasons. But then again, the bolster would (at least in theory) cover that issue.

How mad are we right now?

I don't think the OP meant "Pay to Win" so much as he was talking about how easily people can just pay for the cooler looking gear/toys than say earning it in the game by achieving something though gameplay.

So really he just worded it wrong. I agree with him in that there is more to buy with real money than there is to earn in the game through quests, op loot and or pvp rewards. There should really be a balance. But hey GREED is the ultimate motivator and as long as the Devs can exploit this, things will not change.

I think the fact that you can sell items on the GTN is more to do with the fact that the CM deals mostly with the Gambling Packs. It is actually one of there redeeming features in my opinion, the fact that even if you get none of the things you were hoping for, you can sell what you did get and then buy what you wanted with in-game credits. It means nothing really goes to waste and whatever happens you can at least get something out of your purchase.

True P2W would, in my opinion, include something more like CM-exclusive endgame gear more powerful then anything you can earn, or selling instant level 55 characters. When the game forces you to buy items to proceed in endgame, or offers the chance to skip the major point of the game, then the CM would have gone something more like P2W.

Not mad at all, actually feeling quite happy today!