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08.30.2013 , 12:06 PM | #411
Quote: Originally Posted by namesaretough View Post
In this thread two weeks ago: http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=329

You can always grab the KD SA and then when it gets fixed just swap out your UW SA for whatever other relic you're using now.
Hmm you are right. KD SA and my old UW BA. Prob is when i get a second KD relic.. What will you end up using KD SA + KD BA? Or damage proc (if we even have one. i havent checked the vendor yet).
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08.30.2013 , 01:03 PM | #412
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
Hmm you are right. KD SA and my old UW BA. Prob is when i get a second KD relic.. What will you end up using KD SA + KD BA? Or damage proc (if we even have one. i havent checked the vendor yet).
I've extensively tested KD + UW and KD + CQ and I've found that KD and UW cannot activate together, even if they don't share the same cooldown. Whilst one is active, the other one cannot proc. While the CQ gives less power in general, the number of times it procs is much higher.
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08.30.2013 , 01:04 PM | #413
Quote: Originally Posted by Falver View Post
I've extensively tested KD + UW and KD + CQ and I've found that KD and UW cannot activate together, even if they don't share the same cooldown. Whilst one is active, the other one cannot proc. While the CQ gives less power in general, the number of times it procs is much higher.
A guildie OP healer confirmed to me (we in mumble). KD SA and his UW SA procced twice/together while spamming hots. I wish i had KD SA (i only have UW SA and UW BA) so i can not test it myself for Snipers.

What i can confirm is t hat UW SA and PvP Conq SA is proccing at the same time again (i think they removed this sometime ago right?). I see two 6 second Power buffs on my buff bar when i sit in cover with the self-heal talent.

I can post screenies if needed.
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Falver
08.30.2013 , 01:12 PM | #414
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
A guildie OP healer confirmed to me (we in mumble). KD SA and his UW SA procced twice/together while spamming hots. I wish i had KD SA (i only have UW SA and UW BA) so i can not test it myself for Snipers.

UW SA and PvP Conq SA is what I am using right now and it procs twice/together when i sit in cover with the self-heal talent.

I can post screenies if needed (when i get home). I (think i) remember they removed this bug some patch ago and now it's back.
While I don't know if healing can proc both, damaging skills definitely don't.
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08.30.2013 , 01:15 PM | #415
Quote: Originally Posted by Falver View Post
While I don't know if healing can proc both, damaging skills definitely don't.
Which is why i said in the first place, snipers and gunslingers can go and spec:And equip two SA relics. Either:

Quote:
KD SA + UW SA (confirmed by my op healer guildie) or
UW SA + Conq SA (i can confirm myself)
For Snipers/Slingers with the self-heal while in cover talent, a chance to proc

for 6 seconds every 20 seconds.

Like i said I can't test KD SA and UW SA. As much as i'd like to parse and test the limits of my class I can not since i'm far from BiS gear; my first piece of Kell Dragon i got ~at most 3 months after NiM Operations came out and now HM Dread Fortress is dropping a NEW tier of gear (which is great !)

The only thing i can confirm right now is that UW SA (and probably KD SA) with PVP SA will proc 2 Power buffs when you sit in cover as long as you have 1 point in Vital Regs and Cool Under Pressure.

If an Op/Scoundrel healer can proc UW SA and KD SA at the same time with his hots, i'd assume Snipers and Slingers can too with their self-healing. But like you said they don't work with damage abilities, so perhaps this time around they'll have slightly lower uptime because only your self-heals can proc them and your self-heal only procs once every ~3 seconds (iirc).

Whether a slightly lower uptime on double proccing SA buffs is a DPS increase or decrease over the more popular KD SA and KD BA.... i do not know. I was hoping that 1) it would not show up on the forums and 2) it would not be a DPS increase because all it does is widen the single target dps gap snipers/slingers already have versus other classes.

If it IS a DPS increase then MM/SS and Lethality/DF will benefit from it greatly. Both specs requirs you to sit in cover (more so in MM than Lethality). Engineering/Sab would be a little bit tricker since you have to run out of cover whenever you do your Roll.

You can put one point into self-heal by moving 1 pt from Grenade spam (if you run Hybrid or 36/8/3) or moving 1 pt from +Energy (Lethality). 36/3/7 is a bit tougher to decide. You will lose either 1 pt from +Cunning talent or 1 pt from Corrosive Dart spec if you want to spec into the self-heal.

Now that that is out, can someone wearing ~min-maxed Full KD Gear do comparison parses?
Given:
Quote:
Spec: Hybrid, 36/8/3, Engineering
Duration: 5 minutes
parse 1 - UW SA + KD SA
parse 2 - UW SA + KD SA

parse 3 - KD SA + KD BA
parse 4 - KD SA + KD BA

Spec: 36/3/7
Nnot sure how to make it work here. Remove 1 pt from Cunning talent or remove reduce your CD proc down to 25% instead of 50%? That in itself needs more parses as well.
Ohhh if only
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08.30.2013 , 04:17 PM | #416
Quote: Originally Posted by namesaretough View Post
Not to rain on your parade, but SA relics are still proccing twice for anni maras because of the self heals. Even though you're not stacking two of them you're still benefiting from the bug.
Not on the dummy though: Since you're not taking damage, you're not healing yourself - unless you were using Guarded by the Force, which I don't :-)
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Falver
08.30.2013 , 04:47 PM | #417
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
Which is why i said in the first place, snipers and gunslingers can go and spec:
And equip two SA relics. Either:

For Snipers/Slingers with the self-heal while in cover talent, a chance to proc


for 6 seconds every 20 seconds.

Like i said I can't test KD SA and UW SA. As much as i'd like to parse and test the limits of my class I can not since i'm far from BiS gear; my first piece of Kell Dragon i got ~at most 3 months after NiM Operations came out and now HM Dread Fortress is dropping a NEW tier of gear (which is great !)

The only thing i can confirm right now is that UW SA (and probably KD SA) with PVP SA will proc 2 Power buffs when you sit in cover as long as you have 1 point in Vital Regs and Cool Under Pressure.

If an Op/Scoundrel healer can proc UW SA and KD SA at the same time with his hots, i'd assume Snipers and Slingers can too with their self-healing. But like you said they don't work with damage abilities, so perhaps this time around they'll have slightly lower uptime because only your self-heals can proc them and your self-heal only procs once every ~3 seconds (iirc).

Whether a slightly lower uptime on double proccing SA buffs is a DPS increase or decrease over the more popular KD SA and KD BA.... i do not know. I was hoping that 1) it would not show up on the forums and 2) it would not be a DPS increase because all it does is widen the single target dps gap snipers/slingers already have versus other classes.

If it IS a DPS increase then MM/SS and Lethality/DF will benefit from it greatly. Both specs requirs you to sit in cover (more so in MM than Lethality). Engineering/Sab would be a little bit tricker since you have to run out of cover whenever you do your Roll.

You can put one point into self-heal by moving 1 pt from Grenade spam (if you run Hybrid or 36/8/3) or moving 1 pt from +Energy (Lethality). 36/3/7 is a bit tougher to decide. You will lose either 1 pt from +Cunning talent or 1 pt from Corrosive Dart spec if you want to spec into the self-heal.

Now that that is out, can someone wearing ~min-maxed Full KD Gear do comparison parses?
Given:

Ohhh if only
The problem I see with the analysis is that the self-heal ticks every 3 seconds and the SA relics have a 30% chance of activating. Mathematically, you'll never get it perfectly on a 20-second timer.
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08.30.2013 , 04:53 PM | #418
True.

I've always been a proponent of parse first, talk later so :\
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namesaretough
08.30.2013 , 05:35 PM | #419
Quote: Originally Posted by Ardarell_Solo View Post
Not on the dummy though: Since you're not taking damage, you're not healing yourself - unless you were using Guarded by the Force, which I don't :-)
It still registers as a heal, even if it does 0 effective healing.
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08.30.2013 , 08:27 PM | #420
Loud noises!