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Can we get a developer dialogue going on why class stories are not in the cards?

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Can we get a developer dialogue going on why class stories are not in the cards?

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Grayseven
08.30.2013 , 02:18 AM | #71
I doubt we will see another "clear statement" about any part of this game ever again.

"Clear statements" are the type of things that cause the most anger in players when there is a change (unforeseen or no).

If we get a statement that unequivocally states that there will be no further class story lines from this point forward, it might chase some players off (I don't know why, but we all know it might). On the other hand, if we get a statement that they plan to expand class story lines then they get to deal with the constant harping from people wanting to know when (and we all know how true that is, we read it every day on these forums).

And the stance one month might be different the next when a new group of developers takes over and what was once true no longer is.

The only dialogue I foresee is a statement along the lines of "they aren't in the cards right now, but that doesn't preclude them being expanded in the future". It's called hedging and the development team would be fools to do anything else.

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ZionHalcyon
08.30.2013 , 05:52 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
I doubt we will see another "clear statement" about any part of this game ever again.

"Clear statements" are the type of things that cause the most anger in players when there is a change (unforeseen or no).

If we get a statement that unequivocally states that there will be no further class story lines from this point forward, it might chase some players off (I don't know why, but we all know it might). On the other hand, if we get a statement that they plan to expand class story lines then they get to deal with the constant harping from people wanting to know when (and we all know how true that is, we read it every day on these forums).

And the stance one month might be different the next when a new group of developers takes over and what was once true no longer is.

The only dialogue I foresee is a statement along the lines of "they aren't in the cards right now, but that doesn't preclude them being expanded in the future". It's called hedging and the development team would be fools to do anything else.

It isn't a black and white world, start loving the shades of gray.
Then let the devs say that

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Mercurial_Harpy
08.30.2013 , 08:05 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
I doubt we will see another "clear statement" about any part of this game ever again.

"Clear statements" are the type of things that cause the most anger in players when there is a change (unforeseen or no).
Respectfully, I disagree. EA/Bioware seems to get into the most trouble when they remain vague and silent on an obvious issue. This qualifies in my mind as an "obvious" issue, as there are multiple threads about it.

There have been many instances (server transfer issues, Cartel Market story cubes, War Zone exploits, and the ever-popular graphics/clipping issues with CM gear) where Bioware was silent on the issue for a week or two, then the community pretty much forced them to address said issues. In fact, more than once in this game, both the devs and forum moderators have had to do a public "mea culpa" along the lines of "We're sorry we haven't been communicating properly or frequently; things will change going forward."

Also, if the forums posters are any indication, they've gotten an uptick in cancellations due to discontinuation of class story; that's sure to get their attention.

I think many of the players posting in this thread would be happy with "We hear you; we'll be clarifying our position on class story in upcoming announcements." Even if it is in the time frame of the dreaded EA/Bioware "Soon™" Even if that gets us "We aren't releasing story now, but we're re-visiting the possibility in future updates," I'd say that's a plus. Dialogue is important. They need to have it with the players for the game to continue successfully.
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SilentKitty
08.30.2013 , 08:58 AM | #74
I am here because my love of the story. But only having it move forward with my character and the companions remaining mute on the side is not an option for me. Have lvl:ed my Scoundrel through Makeb once and about halfway through with my Sith Warrior but it just such a disconnected feeling to have the story with my character only and her friends and lover as bystanders. Before this I never really guessed how important the companionship and connections to my characters friends and followers was to me. It is basically the reason why I spend my time re-playing DA:O-DAII, ME-ME3. Because no other game has given me a female character with the ability to develop strong relationships in this way. My JK who I play Ops and such content with is also about halfway through. No one of her friends speaks anymore so it is not so important to do story-missions. Quickly lvl:ed her on the side with dailies and heroics so that I can participate in guild-events.

There is still quite a few classes that I haven't played through. Trooper is on Alderaan, Sith Inq is on Dromund Kaas and the rest are still on their starter-world. If I space out companion convos so that they are still able to interact and speak while playing through the story of Makeb it might just work. What to do after that is very uncertain. Guess that it is a higher possibility of those who only wish to advance their own character to perhaps see something new in the game. I who derive my chief enjoyment from seeing my character interact with others is probably less lucky. Unsubbed for a short while but returned because there are still classes to explore and I would miss my guild. There is however a very clear clear exit-point for me, the day my last to level class has the last conversation with a friend on her ship. Oh well, I guess that they cannot please everyone, have several friends and guildies who do place little to no importance on the story of companions. Think that Dragon Age Inquisition will be right up my alley so I have that to look forward to. Currently trying not to be too let down and actually enjoy my smaller pool of story and companion-interactions that is left. Haven't seen the entire Trooper, Consular, Sith Inq or Agent so there is much enjoyment left for me. Trying to focus on the fun I have before me and not that it might not be continued.

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ZionHalcyon
08.30.2013 , 10:30 AM | #75
I have to say, I do find it disappointing that here we've kept it civil and been rather level-headed and have no answers or dialogue after 8 pages, yet you look around, and the threads that get the attention are where people are stark raving mad bordering on insanity, acting inhumane and treating the developers as if they were sub-human, and THOSE are the threads that get responded to.

Strongly dislike the precedent that sets and the message it puts out.

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Xeraz
08.30.2013 , 10:48 AM | #76
Even if small, I wish they could incorporate some small additions to the class/companion stories. Otherwise, the companions really are just pets going forward.

Edit; I think it all comes down to money and the size of the development team. It's not cost/time effective to pursue a full "chapter 4" story. As mentioned, I think the ideal method is making a planet/arc story and then throwing in small quests for companion/class.
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Arkerus
08.30.2013 , 11:03 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Then let the devs say that
They have said that already. Why do they need to say it again?


Classic case of the community not hearing what they want to hear so they bring it up AGAIN calling it a communication issue.

Bah. Every MMO community is the same. Same whiney, entitled armchair developers prattling on about stuff they know nothing about and at the same time asking for everything twice.
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ZionHalcyon
08.30.2013 , 11:04 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Xeraz View Post
Even if small, I wish they could incorporate some small additions to the class/companion stories. Otherwise, the companions really are just pets going forward.

Edit; I think it all comes down to money and the size of the development team. It's not cost/time effective to pursue a full "chapter 4" story. As mentioned, I think the ideal method is making a planet/arc story and then throwing in small quests for companion/class.
I think that's all people who want class stories to continue are really hoping for. Yet whenever you are able to ask one of the devs about it either in a podcast or one of the community events, their responses always seem to indicate that they think we are asking for a total continuation of the class stories beginning level to end, 51-55.

Its a shame that they seem so tone-deaf.

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ZionHalcyon
08.30.2013 , 11:06 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
They have said that already. Why do they need to say it again?


Classic case of the community not hearing what they want to hear so they bring it up AGAIN calling it a communication issue.

Bah. Every MMO community is the same. Same whiney, entitled armchair developers prattling on about stuff they know nothing about and at the same time asking for everything twice.
Classic case of some in the community thinking they are a developer and responding to other members of the community in kind, even though they AREN'T a developer, DON'T SPEAK for the developers, and are IN NO WAY ASSOCIATED with the development of the game.

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Arkerus
08.30.2013 , 11:14 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Classic case of some in the community thinking they are a developer and responding to other members of the community in kind, even though they AREN'T a developer, DON'T SPEAK for the developers, and are IN NO WAY ASSOCIATED with the development of the game.
Lol. What are you talking about?

All I did was tell you they already told you exactly what they meant to say months ago. Class stories are not hard cancelled but they aren't in the cards right now. They have said this multiple times already and in person at cantina tours. Its not a clear picture right now but don't expect anything soon.

You just don't like being told what you don't want to hear. Welcome to real life.
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