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Group finder lockout when dropping for being undergeared

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Group finder lockout when dropping for being undergeared

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MollyDresden
08.29.2013 , 11:24 PM | #1
Okay, with these new Czerka flashpoints in HM for 55s... They're listed with the other HM 55s, yet are noticeably harder. So if I queue for a 55 HM, wanting one of the older ones that I can definitely do, and get dumped into one of the CZ ones that I'm undergeared for, I can either drop group, get kicked by the other people who know I'm undergeared, or we can try it and, once we fail, I can leave. It seems like the most responsible thing to do would be to simply drop group right away if I know I'm undergeared for it. Except I get a lockout of group finder. What if this happens multiple times in a row? Since it seems like those pop more frequently than the other 55 HMs.

I think that either the CZ HM 55s should be in a separate group finder queue box, so we can queue for them separately from others that drop the comms we need, or the lockout should be removed in cases like this (and how that would be decided what "like this" is, I'm not sure). But it just seems wrong that I can't queue for HM 55s that I can totally do and need the comms from without getting dumped into one I'm undergeared for and then get penalized for dropping group. Not to mention, if I immediately requeue, it might very well put me back in the same group I just left.

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AshlaBoga
08.30.2013 , 12:32 AM | #2
A group in full basic gear can clear HM Labs/Meltdown. Is it a cakewalk? Not really, but it's hardly impossible. Impossible would be doing it in level 45 gear.
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Hawkeyezzzzz
08.30.2013 , 02:28 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by MollyDresden View Post
Okay, with these new Czerka flashpoints in HM for 55s... They're listed with the other HM 55s, yet are noticeably harder.
My Opinion: No they are not!

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morfius
08.30.2013 , 04:28 AM | #4
Just burn ads ASAP (whole group do it if needed) & follow mechanics.
They are harder than old ones but not due gear level, they are simply over designed in term of lesser mistake forgiveness and adds hitting like trucks.
3 of those normal mobs hit more than 2 groups of silver ones in Cademimu (flamethrower boss)... just don't let them get you.
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08.30.2013 , 04:36 AM | #5
I think the bosses are a bit uneven and there is quite a bit of RNG involved as well. Boss with electrified floor can tax a healer if other people are not overgeared, especially the tank. Desert storm boss is quite easy on a shadow (force speed), but guardians have quite tight situational awareness check and if they fail it it's basically a wipe (if not very overgeared). And the boss the shoots plasma and cryo grenades - I forgot his name - even in severely overgeared groups it's very easy to loose 1-2 in final seconds of the fight. Also in that fight the circles are clearly bugged as people have taken damage/got frozen being long away from circles, so graphics do not match actual positioning. Also if there is some new person in the group and messes up with colour containers on final boss it can get very painful if you are not crazily overgeared.

Do not get me wrong those are still mostly walk in a park, but you can still wipe if you are not careful. I had 2 wipes in one of them with a very good player from my guild who was on his tank ALT and never tanked them before and I was just walking him through that on TS. Those bosses are not at the same level as those in Hammer Station or smth.
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Zomise
08.30.2013 , 05:35 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by MollyDresden View Post
Okay, with these new Czerka flashpoints in HM for 55s... They're listed with the other HM 55s, yet are noticeably harder. So if I queue for a 55 HM, wanting one of the older ones that I can definitely do, and get dumped into one of the CZ ones that I'm undergeared for, I can either drop group, get kicked by the other people who know I'm undergeared, or we can try it and, once we fail, I can leave. It seems like the most responsible thing to do would be to simply drop group right away if I know I'm undergeared for it. Except I get a lockout of group finder. What if this happens multiple times in a row? Since it seems like those pop more frequently than the other 55 HMs.
You only need to get one random done for the daily (assuming that's what you want to get done). After that you can just click of the choises for the new flashpoints in your GF settings. I guess there might be more of the new flashpoints going on currently in the random flashpoints, since all the bosses drop 69 gear. People who are trying to farm gear to be able to do operations will only have those two chosen in their group finder.

You get a lockout from group finder even when kicked?
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08.30.2013 , 07:43 AM | #7
I have to say i only had basic gear when i first done these 2 flash points and i am still kind of a starter when it comes to gearing and these were a breeze. I have much better gear now. I suppose you just have to know what your doing (no offence intended) or at least have a good team, either way as long as you all know your role on the team, it is a breeze with basic gear or high end gear.

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tommox
08.30.2013 , 07:47 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Zomise View Post
You get a lockout from group finder even when kicked?
NO i don't think so you get a lock out when kicked because that would be unfair. some people can be childish, and kick you from a group for nothing.

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oaceen
08.30.2013 , 07:55 AM | #9
the gear check is the same.

it may seem harder, but that is most probably because they are new and have new mechanics.


this may seem like a 'learn to play' response but it's not. once you get used to the new mechanics, i assure you that they're not that difficult. so this is a 'keep trying' response.
think back to doing the other 4 HMs at 55. cademimu and mando raiders especially. those mechanics were really hard before people got used to them.
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sithBracer
08.30.2013 , 08:18 AM | #10
If you leave on your own I think the rest of the team should be given an option whether to penalize you or not, similar to a vote kick. So if someone has a real life emergency apologizes and leaves right after finishing the next boss fight, people would understand and not choose to penalize him. But if someone rage quits for a stupid reason then I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to give him the maximum penalty (like no GF for one day).