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Should 2.4 be held off until we get some class balance?

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Should 2.4 be held off until we get some class balance?

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hadoken
08.29.2013 , 01:49 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
Rock disagrees said paper is OP and the FOTM and should have a nerf. Feels ok about Scissors but is keeping an eye on them. Paper feels under armored asks for buff since gets obliterated with 2 scissors vs 1 paper...can easily heal to full but loses on DPS especially against single Scissor but is ok when dealing AOE to rocks. Scissors is at top of the DPS especially against single paper but will eventually lose to heavy armored and defensive CDs given to Rock. Scissors asks for mounts to be bigger and complains about items missing from the fluff packs.
I'm not sure if this is a weak attempt at comedy or you are actually trying to make a point here.

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sainik
08.29.2013 , 02:09 PM | #32
Though I don't think its going to happen, I have to support this on principle. Any game updates (be it arenas or fluff like cartel market) do not make sense when my main (balance shadow) is broken at the roots.

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DOHboy
08.29.2013 , 02:10 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by hadoken View Post
I'm not sure if this is a weak attempt at comedy or you are actually trying to make a point here.
bit of both. Some classes feel OP against others, some feel nerfed. Some feel that a class should behave the same in all instances in all cases. (one class in PVP should perform the same against a boss in PVE). I don't disagree that a class maybe a bit under performing. As long as people will admit that Balancing 3 classes with 3 different roles across 3 difference "games" (solo, pvp, end-game pve) makes for a VERY difficult balance act that is not something that can be just "done" and add on that the wish that ever class be the best at everything. Some classes are great at some things (single target vs multi target) some classes are a balance (dont' to anything exceptional but do most things well). And that is where the rage comes from which was partially what I was saying. From the rocks perspective certain classes maybe op and continually win. From another perspective the other classes maybe OP/Nerfed.

I guess overall if everyone complains the same, then more likely you have stuck a good balance

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hadoken
08.29.2013 , 02:15 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
I guess overall if everyone complains the same, then more likely you have stuck a good balance
Assuming all complaints are either legitimate or meaningless, sure. None of that of course is going on with this game. There's statistics to back up quite a bit of what people say. The problem with assassins in operations for example is not just some guy getting benched cause he has a bad attitude. Nor is the amount of damage a sniper or marauder bring to the raid compared to the other classes simply because every single player of those classes is just a better player than every single player of every other class.

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TUXs
08.29.2013 , 02:18 PM | #35
Nope. It should not. Bioware just needs to act faster.
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Brewski
08.29.2013 , 02:23 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
I guess overall if everyone complains the same, then more likely you have stuck a good balance
My wife used to work as a newspaper reporter covering city politics. She always said she felt good about an article when both sides called her to yell at her for being obviously biased against them and for the opposition. If she only got yelled at by one side, or god help her, if she got a compliment from one side on the article being balanced, she worried she'd screwed it up.

People complain. A lot. If you stop all forward progress until you have everything perfect you will never move forward.

So no, they should not delay the launch of arenas because classes are not perfectly balanced. If they do, we'll never get new content.

tl;dr; No.

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DOHboy
08.29.2013 , 02:37 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by hadoken View Post
Assuming all complaints are either legitimate or meaningless, sure. None of that of course is going on with this game. There's statistics to back up quite a bit of what people say. The problem with assassins in operations for example is not just some guy getting benched cause he has a bad attitude. Nor is the amount of damage a sniper or marauder bring to the raid compared to the other classes simply because every single player of those classes is just a better player than every single player of every other class.
When it comes to raids, its as much about the player as it is the class. I've been dropped from raids as a higher DPS (sentinel) because we were melee heavy and needed some range. If given the option of having a range commando vs an shadow dps. Sure I think most people would take the commando in most situations if you are going to have melee a sentinel will provide more utility (zen/inspiration/transcendence) although stealth has its uses.Do sages need some dps boost sure, but they are also ranged, have better AOE and thus offer something to offer outside their dps ###. I have said it and I will say it again. Just because you parse ####DPS does NOT mean you are ready for HM/NiM operations. And even if you ARE the highest rated DPS in a guild..you might still be an ***** or tend to take too much damage due to raid awareness. I knew guys who were great geared tanks, but couldn't hold aggro if the raid depended on it and over all just couldn't play their class. Even BEST skilled players, and BEST geared players can still be *****es.

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Jrea
08.29.2013 , 03:16 PM | #38
Class balance is good idea, but it never works. Updates bring new abilities, nerfs and op unexpectedly.

Marauders/Sentinels DPS was awesome when the game first came out, a couple of patches later they were terrible, a couple more patches then they were awesome again, terrible, awesome, terrible and now I think they are awesome again.....

Just wait it out. you class will be kicking *** again soon.

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JimG
08.29.2013 , 03:30 PM | #39
No, they shouldn't delay 2.4. There's no such thing as class balance.

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Icebergy
08.29.2013 , 05:25 PM | #40
SWTOR is far from perfect, but it is far more class balanced than any other MMO I have played. You guys would stop ************ real fast if you had played WoW.
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