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Players with a sense of entitlement

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TUXs
08.29.2013 , 09:03 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
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actively listen to the customer and treat them the way you would want to be treated.
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CosmicKat
08.29.2013 , 10:53 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Ebazinam View Post
After reading through so many of your posts...this is my favorite. In such a short post, you have provided some insight into the driving forces of cosmickat posts.

It is clear that you would complain no matter what MMO you play. Must be a sense of entitlement . (The ASG definition, not webster's)
Actually, the two reasons I complain the most about TOR are....

- That it had/has huge potential given the makers of it, the IP, and the cash behind it. To release something so bland and generic makes TOR's failing all the more glaring.

- The Biodrones are so ridiculously partisan, and obviously "plants", that it just can't be allowed to go unchallenged.

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curtkram
08.29.2013 , 10:54 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by bionamaster View Post
First of all, I don't take an estimated number of posted by a player as set-in-stone proof. The other states up roughly 800,000 subscribers were gone, not one million. Close, but no cigar. Also, you cannot make every customer happy in an MMO game. Try, and the game will fail. And you, my friend, have no idea what the word entitlement means, even in this "forum definition"
you can believe what you want. a previous poster outlined the numbers from the shareholder reports. i would only touch on the "forum definition" of entitlement as it is really at the core of this thread. I believe the people who have defined the term "entitled" in this environment are generally the people this poster was referring to (i assume these are the same 'biodrones' cosmic is referring to above):
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
.. the self appointed, delusional crybabies and arm chair developers we read on these boards on a daily basis. This board, these self educated, self appointed "experts" on everything from game development to chuck norris...
These fine folks, who have done such a good job of establishing a strong community on the forums, have separated the "dictionary" definition of "entitlement" from the "forum" definition. Around here, "entitlement" is just a disparaging remark directed towards someone you disagree with. there isn't any additional thought, meaning, or intent when people on these forums use that word.

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BaronV
08.29.2013 , 11:28 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by ImpactHound View Post
It was a painfully effective word in deflecting criticisms of Mass Effect 3's shoehorned multiplayer, storyline endings, and devaluation of "choices that mattered" in previous games most of all. I'm upset that the word is still in their toolkit.
at least they didnt bring out "Artistic Integrity"
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ImpactHound
08.29.2013 , 11:38 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Actually, the two reasons I complain the most about TOR are....

- That it had/has huge potential given the makers of it, the IP, and the cash behind it. To release something so bland and generic makes TOR's failing all the more glaring.

- The Biodrones are so ridiculously partisan, and obviously "plants", that it just can't be allowed to go unchallenged.
I don't have the screenshots at work, but Andromeda was the worst. Not to mention obvious connection the "social marketeer" full time temp positions they hired for boldly on the careers page on the root BioWare website, and all the screenshots saved of the job description & pay.

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CosmicKat
08.29.2013 , 12:53 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by ImpactHound View Post
I don't have the screenshots at work, but Andromeda was the worst. Not to mention obvious connection the "social marketeer" full time temp positions they hired for boldly on the careers page on the root BioWare website, and all the screenshots saved of the job description & pay.
They all kind of blur into one.

The truly disgusting ones are the posts stating the person "...spent $600 on Cartel Coins!" in transparent attempts to legitimize and normalize it so that actual customers will feel less icky for throwing $50 down the virtual drain.

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Soul_of_Flames
08.29.2013 , 12:55 PM | #127
I read the whole OP... and still don't quite understand what he is taking about completely.

But I will say this: I don't expect new content to roll out every week. In fact I dread the day that happens. As a player I like to spend a little time with the content, run it a few times in various difficulties with various people. When they start bringing out new stuff too often, I lose time to effectively play around in the older content and feel sorta cheated.

However, I also don't like pressing the edge of content with a progression guild or something. I don't understand where the fun is in rushing through all the game's content as fast as possible only to be stuck after with nothing left to strive for until the next patch comes out.

Tbh, there 6-8 week content schedule is fine with me. I actually think it's a good pace.

But one thing I do want to mention is that, as a subscriber, I'm not paying a monthly fee to run dailies. I do expect content and I do feel that, by paying for this service, I am entitled to said content. Otherwise there would be no point in my subscription, correct?

And that kinda brings up a rough point though. Subs share the game with an overwhelming majority of F2Pers. They get access to this content just as subs do. Now while I do respect the F2P model just fine... I don't believe F2Pers should have the same access that subs have for new content. Not because I think they are inferior players but because they aren't even paying a fraction of the price subscribers are just to play. There is quite a small gap between a fully unlocked preferred player and a subscriber... and that has raised the question: Is subscribing to this game really worth it?

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AGSThomas
08.29.2013 , 01:00 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by ImpactHound View Post
I don't have the screenshots at work, but Andromeda was the worst. Not to mention obvious connection the "social marketeer" full time temp positions they hired for boldly on the careers page on the root BioWare website, and all the screenshots saved of the job description & pay.
Biodrones can make whatever arguments they like. The results will show in the game. As I've said in my previous posts, The Cartel Market was an ingenious - but not innovative - idea to save this game from the jaws of server closure. And we have seen where their focus has been since then. Anyone remember 2.1 and that debacle? Bioware sure listened to the customer on that one. We, the customers, flipped out at a Cartel market only update. If we hadn't flipped out, they would have continued doing that. If Bioware waits another year to release another "expansion" and its as weak as ROTC. I predict you'll see another collapse.

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DOHboy
08.29.2013 , 01:02 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
They all kind of blur into one.

The truly disgusting ones are the posts stating the person "...spent $600 on Cartel Coins!" in transparent attempts to legitimize and normalize it so that actual customers will feel less icky for throwing $50 down the virtual drain.
Meh, think what you want. I earn 75k+ a year, single and live in central Iowa, as a software engineer If i choose to spend $300 or more on coins that is MY money and MY choice. How we choose to spend our money should be no concern of anyone else. the point we make is that just because someone "pi$$ed" away $50 and feel they DESERVE, or ENTITLED to something is WRONG. The $15 dollars a month gives you access to the game and everything allocated as a subscription (including 500 free CC a month) anything beyond that, any $$ you spend on cartel coins gives you access to what it offers packs with RANDOM chance at certain items. You still get EVERYTHING lised (2 randoms, mats, etc, with CHANCE at ultra-rare)... NOTHING MORE! No special Treatment, no ME ME ME! IF you WANT something, find away to BUY IT. Don't ask anyone to GIVE it to you..EARN IT just like everyone else does!

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AGSThomas
08.29.2013 , 01:08 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Soul_of_Flames View Post
I read the whole OP... and still don't quite understand what he is taking about completely.

But I will say this: I don't expect new content to roll out every week. In fact I dread the day that happens. As a player I like to spend a little time with the content, run it a few times in various difficulties with various people. When they start bringing out new stuff too often, I lose time to effectively play around in the older content and feel sorta cheated.

However, I also don't like pressing the edge of content with a progression guild or something. I don't understand where the fun is in rushing through all the game's content as fast as possible only to be stuck after with nothing left to strive for until the next patch comes out.

Tbh, there 6-8 week content schedule is fine with me. I actually think it's a good pace.

But one thing I do want to mention is that, as a subscriber, I'm not paying a monthly fee to run dailies. I do expect content and I do feel that, by paying for this service, I am entitled to said content. Otherwise there would be no point in my subscription, correct?

And that kinda brings up a rough point though. Subs share the game with an overwhelming majority of F2Pers. They get access to this content just as subs do. Now while I do respect the F2P model just fine... I don't believe F2Pers should have the same access that subs have for new content. Not because I think they are inferior players but because they aren't even paying a fraction of the price subscribers are just to play. There is quite a small gap between a fully unlocked preferred player and a subscriber... and that has raised the question: Is subscribing to this game really worth it?
What I'm talking about is not to roll out updates faster. Not that at all. I would wait 3-4 months for a solid content update over 6 week cartel market updates any day of the week. No, my original point is looking at the customer in the broad sense of the word. We control where this game goes. If Bioware thinks that is not true and unilaterally makes decision's based on... whatever they think is good, they will get a SWG type collapse - Which already happened to them once before F2P. If they want to milk it, by all means do it. I wont be here while that happens and more and more people will feel the same. The people who are no on the forum will not be swayed by words but with the fact that they will be bored. When the most exciting content to a patch is Cartel Market driven, its only a matter of time.
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