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Why must the ability to heal as a DPS = underwhelming performance as a DPS?

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Why must the ability to heal as a DPS = underwhelming performance as a DPS?

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Ratajack
08.28.2013 , 03:27 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Pure DPS means that DPS is ALL you can do. Whether or not you think the heals are lousy or inefficient does not negate the fact that you CAN heal, and are therefore NOT pure DPS.

If you want to go down the road of a DPS spec loses the ability to heal, then I can see buffing the DPS output.


Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
Then there has never been a tank on any mmo ever. Because tanks can dps too, just very very poorly.

Where did I say ANYTHING about tanks?

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Hockaday
08.28.2013 , 03:31 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Where did I say ANYTHING about tanks?
I suggest reading your own posts.
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08.28.2013 , 04:15 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
I suggest reading your own posts.
As far as I know, I made two posts in this thread before your comment about tanks. They were:

Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
There are NO purely DPS classes that have the ability to heal. Having the ability to heal, by it's very nature, makes that class a hybrid.

You may spec into DPS, but as long as you have the ability to heal, you are NOT purely DPS and so should not have top notch DPS, or even within 5%.


Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Pure DPS means that DPS is ALL you can do. Whether or not you think the heals are lousy or inefficient does not negate the fact that you CAN heal, and are therefore NOT pure DPS.

If you want to go down the road of a DPS spec loses the ability to heal, then I can see buffing the DPS output.
As I asked before, where did I say ANYTHING about tanks?

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Hockaday
08.28.2013 , 04:23 PM | #104
smh...

Ok, nice and slow. If a class has a healing spell (using spell here, you'll see why), that does not mean they're hybrid. If they lack the -ability- to heal. If we use your logic, that if you have a certain kind of spell, that deviates from your roll, you are a hybrid. That would mean, that no tank ever has been a tank. Tanks have dps spells, but not the ability to dps.

Or, another route, Jug dps have taunts, but they don't have the ability to tank (certain situations withstanding...i've had marauders tank). In this game, spec = roll. Sorcerers cannot use their heals, at all, due to cast times. Making them quite literally worthless. What is a hybrid, where you can only do one thing?

So long and short, just because a class has a spell, does not mean they're a hybrid. On SW:TOR, your spec is either pure or not pure. Tanks have dps spells, but can't dps, in your eyes tanks are hybrid.
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mmjarec
08.28.2013 , 04:33 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Sargrith View Post
I am not sure everyone agrees with this statement both sides seemed to agree the DPS/ heal classes and tank/DPS classes are by their nature hybrids when they go DPS because both retain aspects of their other spec, healing for some and tanking for others. The arguement seems to be two parts

One group says all DPS builds should do relatively similar damage, one group seems to think the pure should do defineably more.

One groups says there is a big gap between the damage right now, another groups disagrees with that.

The fact is whether we call them hybrids or oranges it does not matter, I think what matters is the relative dps they do compared to the apples.
Hybrid classes are not about fillable roles they are about abilities. A hybrid class is one class that has the abilities of another class if there was a class that could tank like jug and heal like sorc that would be a hybrid. Roles habe nothing to do wit it unless you are redefining the meaning for this game only

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hadoken
08.28.2013 , 04:39 PM | #106
You guys are all getting lost in definitions now and completely confusing the actual issue.

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mmjarec
08.28.2013 , 05:19 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
smh...

Ok, nice and slow. If a class has a healing spell (using spell here, you'll see why), that does not mean they're hybrid. If they lack the -ability- to heal. If we use your logic, that if you have a certain kind of spell, that deviates from your roll, you are a hybrid. That would mean, that no tank ever has been a tank. Tanks have dps spells, but not the ability to dps.

Or, another route, Jug dps have taunts, but they don't have the ability to tank (certain situations withstanding...i've had marauders tank). In this game, spec = roll. Sorcerers cannot use their heals, at all, due to cast times. Making them quite literally worthless. What is a hybrid, where you can only do one thing?

So long and short, just because a class has a spell, does not mean they're a hybrid. On SW:TOR, your spec is either pure or not pure. Tanks have dps spells, but can't dps, in your eyes tanks are hybrid.
Bcuz you choose not to heal and the say you cant doesnt meam you are a hubrid you cAn use it anytime. Tanks are suppsed to tank but accomplish it via abilities strange how you make no sense

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pauljc
08.28.2013 , 05:31 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by SNCommand View Post
If Bioware made healing useless for a DPS Sorc and gave us a group buff like Marauders and Snipers have while making our DPS close to equal I would be extremely happy with that
Healing is already useless for a DPS sorc, that's why the "heal to full" comment was so unbelievably dumb that it spawned a meme. It's costs a lot of force and has to be hard-casted (and is super-easily interrupted) for not a lot of healing (if you aren't specced into it). Nobody who has actually played a sorc in PvP more than once or twice can seriously consider "just take a break from the fight and use Dark Infusion" to be a legit survival strategy.

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Hockaday
08.28.2013 , 05:45 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by mmjarec View Post
Bcuz you choose not to heal and the say you cant doesnt meam you are a hubrid you cAn use it anytime. Tanks are suppsed to tank but accomplish it via abilities strange how you make no sense
Did something happen? You were typing much better in your other threads. It pains me to read the above...so I won't. Hope all is ok.
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mmjarec
08.28.2013 , 07:26 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
Did something happen? You were typing much better in your other threads. It pains me to read the above...so I won't. Hope all is ok.
Ou noes you cant heal and uber dos simultaneously must be gimp! Get real. So you want mor than a downtime or time elongation or run away heal. Its more than others have if you dont like it spec heals or change class yu cant expect to heal and habe top dps. You can bubble and heal it prolongs the fight tjats wjy you use dots. Seems like you refuse to play your class as designed