Why must the ability to heal as a DPS = underwhelming performance as a DPS?

Dont you think the ones at the bottom of the parse chart that cant heal deserve attention first since they are obviously in worse shape than the class you dont play but know everything about oddly enough. You just reinforce the societal mindset of me first im the only one that matters. Your assertion that yu should be able to heal better and dps more is like an assassin in tank spec expecting to tank and top the dps parse. Not gonna happen

The hybrid vs pure discussion is bigger than just the Sorc, I don't think anyone is claiming otherwise. It honestly impacts all classes except the top two on that parse (who happen to be well over 5% of everyone else).

Except...they're not hybrids. There are hybrid specs, that I would agree. But this is not a hybrid. PT, Merc, Sorc, Sin, Jug, etc. Aren't hybrids. In the true sense of it anyway. A dps jug can't tank, even a bit, so it's really not fair to call them hybrids. And even if they were, they would have the utility that hybrids bring...but the "pure" dps have that too.

I think you under value the ability to cleanse. Being LoSed has nothing to do with being a hybrid it has to do with being ranged, the advantage is deal damage from more the 10 the disadvantage is being LoSed, gunslingers have the same issue. H

I love my Sorc healer in FPs and OPs, but when I do dailies or play the new role-less FPs I build a hybrid: 23/7/16

I have Innervate for burst healing with a nice Resurgence and the vital Fadeout for PvP, Efficacious Currents and Lightning Barrier for a decent bubble and Wrath, Sith Efficiency and Death Field for dps.

I also use that build for PvP, is my dps lowish? Sure, is my healing lower then a full heal specs? Yes, but the build is fun as Hell to play and that's all that matters.

I don't think Sorcs need more dps, we already have plenty of versatility and survivability to make up for less then max dps.

Sorcs/sages have: powerful heals (a self one that requires no force), mobility (force speed), damage mitigation (bubble), nice none situational dps (no need to stand behind someone or come out of cloak) and some unique tools like Extrication and that one skill that makes them *invulnerable* Force Barrier.

Would I like to also be top dps? Of course, who wouldn't but then why would anyone play anything or accept anything other then Sorcs into FPs and Ops?

Pure DPS means that DPS is ALL you can do. Whether or not you think the heals are lousy or inefficient does not negate the fact that you CAN heal, and are therefore NOT pure DPS.

If you want to go down the road of a DPS spec loses the ability to heal, then I can see buffing the DPS output.

Hybrid is a spec not a class there is no such thing as hybrid class only hybrid specs

Then there has never been a tank on any mmo ever. Because tanks can dps too, just very very poorly.

On that subject, I think you guys are talking of 2 different things: hybrid as in hybrid tree build and hybrid as in able to fill more then a single role.

Granted, the argument can be made that without tree specification you cant really fulfill more then a role, but the opposite argument that you still have the none tree skills available is also true, no matter how effective...

I am not sure everyone agrees with this statement both sides seemed to agree the DPS/ heal classes and tank/DPS classes are by their nature hybrids when they go DPS because both retain aspects of their other spec, healing for some and tanking for others. The arguement seems to be two parts

One group says all DPS builds should do relatively similar damage, one group seems to think the pure should do defineably more.

One groups says there is a big gap between the damage right now, another groups disagrees with that.

The fact is whether we call them hybrids or oranges it does not matter, I think what matters is the relative dps they do compared to the apples.