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Vanguard // Powertechs Top 3 Answers!

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Vanguard // Powertechs Top 3 Answers!
 
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foxmob
08.24.2013 , 08:56 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by GalnarDegana View Post
I play a Gunslinger. If a PT tried to take me on at range, I would laugh as I destroyed him. You literally just nerfed their range in the 2.4 PTS patch by requiring Rocket Punch instead of Flame Burst to start the DoT. I was there when you nerfed their range in 1.4 too. What the crap are you talking about? The PT is a melee class for all intents and purposes.
your logic...is logical. must...terminate.


Quote: Originally Posted by GalnarDegana View Post
C) Shadows are basically immune to CC for 12 seconds every minute
I'm not following you here. shroud is 3-5s. what's giving them 12s of immunity?


Quote: Originally Posted by GalnarDegana View Post
You realize this sounds incredibly arrogant and dismissive right? My momma would have slapped you for your tone.
ikr?

Quote: Originally Posted by GalnarDegana View Post
The Vanguard and Powertech communities (and for that matter the Sorc/Sage communities) deserve better than this.

You need to realize that you essentially said "it's all in your head" to the PTs/Vanguards and "L2P" to the Sorcs/Sages. This is a PR nightmare for you. I suggest you get your crap together before the PT and Sage questions. This community is simply responding to your call for questions, and while I appreciate the work you put into the questions that Paowee and I got together for Snipers (mostly Paowee), I think you did not apply the same effort to these questions. Even as Gunslinger rep, I feel that the class most deserving of answers is the Vanguard/Powertech. I feel bad that the questions we worked on got so much attention for a class that is doing rather well, while this underperforming, bleeding-players-left-and-right class did not get as much attention. I would recommend you try again with this group or apologize for coming off like arrogant know-it-alls that are trolling your devoted fanbase.
rofl

I'm...sorry....I can't....BW...seriously.

You've convinced me bansky. wildstar can't be worse than this.
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TL;DR Bolster is meant to help entry level players, ranked PvP is not entry level PvP.

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mfourcustom
08.24.2013 , 09:01 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
your logic...is logical. must...terminate.



I'm not following you here. shroud is 3-5s. what's giving them 12s of immunity?



ikr?


rofl

I'm...sorry....I can't....BW...seriously.

You've convinced me bansky. wildstar can't be worse than this.
Yup I know none of us in guild are really playing much anymore with the whole 8v8s going away and these last two rounds of dev answer's have pretty much pissed off more than half the guild but **** it... just hang around mumble play other games and chill with us until wildstar!

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BobaFaceroll
08.24.2013 , 09:14 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by CourtneyWoods View Post

In short, this is a perception problem, and it is one that you admit didnít exist when Assault Specialist dealt more damage. When Assault Specialist damage goes up, will this perception issue go away? If not, weíll address the issue, but we arenít looking to make massive improvements that would only tip the scales in the other direction.
It's not a perception problem.

When my Pyro PT did more damage I was worth taking to an Op. I didn't have very much group utility, and I didn't have much in the way of defensive skills/traits to mitigate damage, but I did a lot of damage. Enough damage to match the top damage output of other DPS class/specs, so I was able to come on that character. That's not the case any more...no one brings a Pyro PT to any Op or FP in my guild. Powertechs tank or they gather dust.

When my Pyro PT did more damage it was also worth playing in PvP. Even after the range reduction on several skills it was still worth playing. I could line up very strong burst, and my DoTs (if they didn't get cleansed) did decent damage. My one defensive CD was usually enough to get a solo kill, or to live long enough in the scrum to take someone down with me, and it could be traited to lower the cool down every time I was attacked. That's not the case any more. My DoT damage has been greatly reduced, and my burst is a shell of its former self. My one defensive CD has been gutted as well as the trait that improved it has been moved to a different skill tree. My Pyro PT doesn't PvP any more either.

There is a big difference between a perception problem and "I do one thing well enough to overlook my shortcomings in other areas". I no longer do enough DPS as a Pyro to overlook my shortcomings, so it sits unused.

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Fellow-Canadian
08.24.2013 , 09:43 AM | #104
I would sincerely hope for other ACs tjat this kind of dev response would be filtered through less arrogant and dismissive people. I would like to know which dev wrote that. I would ask for them to create a dialogue wiith the players and explain more specifically the concerns addressed by the community.

I think this whole PR community election bull****is making Bioware appear WORSE in the eyes of the players.
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Luxidenstore
08.24.2013 , 09:56 AM | #105
I have the feeling that it's impossible to actually go test full Assault on the PTS, you know, with the Plasma Cell and CgC being broken on the PTS.

But maybe this is a perception problem.... Hmmm.. It's hard having these problems.
Only healed myself to 99% - FAIL!

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ScytheEleven
08.24.2013 , 11:16 AM | #106
I know that by saying this, I am going to get flamed, called an idiot or probably other choice words...but:

Grow up guys.

I view myself as an active member of PT/VG community, and while I feel your pain, I also recognize that acting like children will get us nothing. Repeatedly posting "perception problem" in red/white/blue that takes up an entire page is not how we want to be viewed.

Am I frustrated with the combat team's responses? You bet. But if we want to be taken seriously, we need to act seriously. Ever wonder why Shadow/Sin tanks got the response from BioWare a few weeks back stating that their complaints about spike damage in NiM operations were under review? It's because they presented their thoughts/opinions with data/metrics, not just "I can't kill healers anymore in PVP and in PVE no one likes my class!"

In all honesty, our questions were terrible. Even mine, which was the 2nd question, was worded terribly. I couldn't read question 1 and 3 without getting lost. How can we expect rational answers when we give them irrational questions? I'm not solely blaming mrfourcustom here. In general, the VG/PT community was very poor at getting organized for this window of opportunity.

We still have our Powertech questions coming up in October. Let's learn from this, and come better prepared next time.

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Ottoattack
08.24.2013 , 11:17 AM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by OldSpiceSwag View Post
excuse me please stop spamming this garbage, pts are incredibly underpowered compared to sorcs. pts cant even heal themselves to full, only to 30%. that is so underpowered. sorcs need a nerf while pts need a slight buff so they can actually heal themselves to full. meanwhile THE MARAUDER needs to be completely buffed as it cant even heal itself to full a little bit!
Again, If you heal to full the MARAUDER will get scared. They are cowards and will atk you only if you are below 50%. L2P, and don't forget LOS; .

PTs, have perception problem. They think they have dps trees. They don't. They have good tank tree (shield tech), mediocre tank tree (AP) and weak tank tree (pyro). You want to dps you have to change your "perception" and roll the MARAUDER.

This message is brought to you buy BW devs. Not really but could be.

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GalnarDegana
08.24.2013 , 11:28 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
I'm not following you here. shroud is 3-5s. what's giving them 12s of immunity?
Ah, you are right, sorry. Literally, my assassin was my 8th 50, so I do not remember as many of his skills very well. I mixed up the durations for Force Shroud and Deflection (which btw, is a another great skill that Vanguards don't have something similar like Guardians do with Saber Ward).

Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
You've convinced me bansky. wildstar can't be worse than this.
The Wildstar devs actually really love their players. A Massively article came out that gave a bad review to Wildstar (for unfair reasons like not being about to change keybinds at a demo, since they turned it off for the demo). The first three posts were rather vitriolic from fans of the game as they protested the unfair conclusions, and the fourth post was the Community Manager of Wildstar calling for civility saying that they appreciated all feedback, including bad reviews, so they could make a better game. My jaw flipping hit the floor.

This is only one example of many of the Wildstar team taking care of their fans long before they are customers. Check out my podcast at WildstarRadio.com for more examples even. We pretty much have something like this to talk about every week.

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gunte
08.24.2013 , 11:31 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by ScytheEleven View Post
I know that by saying this, I am going to get flamed, called an idiot or probably other choice words...but:

Grow up guys.

I view myself as an active member of PT/VG community, and while I feel your pain, I also recognize that acting like children will get us nothing. Repeatedly posting "perception problem" in red/white/blue that takes up an entire page is not how we want to be viewed.

Am I frustrated with the combat team's responses? You bet. But if we want to be taken seriously, we need to act seriously. Ever wonder why Shadow/Sin tanks got the response from BioWare a few weeks back stating that their complaints about spike damage in NiM operations were under review? It's because they presented their thoughts/opinions with data/metrics, not just "I can't kill healers anymore in PVP and in PVE no one likes my class!"

In all honesty, our questions were terrible. Even mine, which was the 2nd question, was worded terribly. I couldn't read question 1 and 3 without getting lost. How can we expect rational answers when we give them irrational questions? I'm not solely blaming mrfourcustom here. In general, the VG/PT community was very poor at getting organized for this window of opportunity.

We still have our Powertech questions coming up in October. Let's learn from this, and come better prepared next time.
Agree to 100%
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Luxidenstore
08.24.2013 , 11:33 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by gunte View Post
Agree to 100%
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Only healed myself to 99% - FAIL!