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Why The Death of Ranked is a Good Thing

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Why The Death of Ranked is a Good Thing

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DarthSabreth
08.17.2013 , 01:40 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika View Post
I'm sure you do and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. However, you need to be realistic about the game you are playing and the amount of resources available for it. In example, there isn't a full blown PvP team like there is on a Blizzard MMO dedicated to this game. This game is also using the Hero Engine, where cross-server queues are impossible (as openly admitted by BW). In addition, the engine couldn't even support Ilum's world v world combat.

Look, I'm all for more options but I'm also a realist. It is evident this game cannot give us everything we want. (What more proof do you need for that, really?) So please, hop off the 'I-hate-BW' bandwagon, open your eyes and accept this medium for what it is and enjoy it for that. Certain things can be done and certain things cannot.
I am not a programmer, so can someone plz explain to me why cross server ques are imposible with the hero engine and if it was then why did BW choose the hero engine to begin with?
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Warlord_Maliken
08.17.2013 , 02:51 AM | #122
Great post.
Just to share my opinion here, I think ranked warzones should be removed! don't complicate the queue system, keep it simple. Don't divide your lvl 55 pvp'ers by allowing ranked, regulars, and arena. That seems obnoxious to me it really does. I enjoy just queueing up and relaxing, pvp'ing in w/e warzone popps. The ranked thing is blaaaah. I think leaving ranked as an 'extra' option would be silly.
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LingeringDrama
08.17.2013 , 01:00 PM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika View Post
That's just the cherry on the cake. Either way, it's showing that BW is showing interest toward the PvP aspect of the game.
and by removing content from PVP instead of developing it shows that BW isn't showing an interest towards the PvP aspect of the game.

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Quote: Originally Posted by NivekRo View Post
It's pretty disgusting to me how you people can begrudge others content and actively encourage BioWare to remove it from the game.
This quote does a great job summing up my feelings on this topic.

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Xenaxia
08.17.2013 , 07:43 PM | #124
"Exclusiveness
This is arguably the biggest issue why ranked was doomed to fail. The state of this game's health is realistically not the best. When 1.2's ranked setback was announced, a great deal of subs dropped. Then those of us that stayed waited it out only for a not so healthy number to actually queue up. So what's the problem here? For one, setting up 8v8 is hardcore. You need to have dedicated players willing to do so as often as possible. That automatically ices out the casual player from getting a shot at competing with the big leagues, save for the kickball or pug group they get into only to be stomped by organized teams which discourages said player(s) from participating any further.

Let's be realistic. Even if this game had 400k subs, 40k per server and you have roughly 30 teams q'ing on a 'ranked-healthy' server, that number isn't even making it to 1% of the player population. Ranked is so exclusive to those who can afford it that it eventually tires out the same people who are constantly going at it. Again, stagnation even in its design."

this is the only part that i can speak to about ranked warzones. not knowing what i was getting into when i started the game, i picked the ebon hawk server to play on. only after i had 9 characters and a subscription did i realize that pve was Definitely not my thing, and RP has a lot of 13 year olds having cybersex with G.I.R.L.s while PVP was happy funtimes exp if you win or lose learn by playing good times beach party.

as such, with multiple end game characters, i have never even been IN a ranked warzone. its hard enough herding enough players together in non-ranked warzones. getting 8 level 55 players together to pvp on ebon hawk? ive never even seen anyone ask to form a group.

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Xenaxia
08.17.2013 , 07:46 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by LingeringDrama View Post
and by removing content from PVP instead of developing it shows that BW isn't showing an interest towards the PvP aspect of the game.

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This quote does a great job summing up my feelings on this topic.
im not sure i would call ranked warzones "content" its just a grouping system with its own separate rewards. its the same maps.

and i do believe i saw some new pvp maps to come, and im told there are new arenas on the public test server.
That. is new content.

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DarthSabreth
08.17.2013 , 08:08 PM | #126
in my opinion, patch 2.4 is going to make que times almost unbearable, I don't care if they add arenas but atleast try to add cross server pvp ques.
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LingeringDrama
08.18.2013 , 09:12 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenaxia View Post
im not sure i would call ranked warzones "content" its just a grouping system with its own separate rewards. its the same maps.

and i do believe i saw some new pvp maps to come, and im told there are new arenas on the public test server.
That. is new content.
I'll start off by saying that I've pretty much all but stopped pveing in SWTOR. I do really enjoy the in game events. I level alts through pve content and do the odd flashpoint. Over the last 6 months the ONLY thing that has kept me in game has been watching (TwitchTV streamers) and playing rated pvp... It is content. Taking away 8v8 objective pvp is removing content. You can not argue this point. We are getting 4v4 non-objective team death match arenas in its place. I'm all for adding the arenas... but why should it come at the expense of the current pvp community and don't tell me its a SMALL community... Just check out the SWTOR tab on TwitchTV the bulk of the popular streamers advertise RATED matches. I have numberous friends that don't play in rated pvp but love watching it. At the end of the day I really feel removing this content will only hurt the SWTOR community.

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snave
08.18.2013 , 09:29 AM | #128
I discussed this topic and specifically this particular post on my show yesterday, if you're looking to hear the opinions from some of the key figures in the ranked community.

Skip to about 56 minutes for the part directly related to this post, I'd recommend listening to the whole thing if you want to get all the various aspects as to why people aren't happy with the change.

https://www.youtube.com/snave1208

Show is called: Reality Check Episode 3 - PVP'ERS UNITE!

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Kevinor
08.18.2013 , 09:37 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSabreth View Post
I am not a programmer, so can someone plz explain to me why cross server ques are imposible with the hero engine and if it was then why did BW choose the hero engine to begin with?
They're surely not "impossible", but BioWare clearly don't want to invest the resources necessary to implement them.

Based on their comments in the past; they made a strategic decision to go for a reduced number of larger servers to make the need for cross-server less obvious and/or immediate. Nothing I've seen makes me believe they've changed that stance.
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Daystarr
08.18.2013 , 09:51 AM | #130
Shinarika, I'm really disappointed in your point of view regarding ranked warzones as I have been an avid fan of your previous work and I would have thought you'd have been for all types of pvp in the game. I know that you have been an advocate of hybrid specs for your Shadow and Sin and would have thought that you'd have been for diversity in the overall state of the game.

Regardless, I'm voting this thread a 1 as terrible because in my opinion the death of ranked is NOT a good thing and would only alienate the staggeringly small pvp community that we already have. I love this game and want to see it succeed.

I'd like to divert players who share my sentimentality towards Bioware's Reality Check and also for all the Marauders in the community to voice their opinions on post #137 in the marauder class rep question/discussion thread.
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