Not so advanced PVP

Successful kiting it not solely done through LOS. There's a reason it's called kiting. You're keeping distance between yourself and your opponent (like you're flying a kite). The way to get that separation is either by knockback or by having a difference in movement speed, either through CC/roots or by difference in running speed through speed burst or slows.

Really, the only time LOS works by itself is if you step behind something because you're getting focused by ranged attackers. Yes LOS is important for kiting knights/warriors/vanguards/PTs since they'll just leap back. But you won't get behind something to LOS without a difference in movement speed.

Sigh. You youngins.

Kiting goes back to the EQ1 days. Where people would slow the mob or use a speed boost, and drag a mob behind them (Ala, a kid dragging a kite behind them on a beach) while nuking or DoTing it.

It expanded into a more of a definition from there with "Fear Kiting" and into how we use it today. But that's where it comes from. People put LOS into that category now, along with anything that involves using movement to mitigate or avoid. Until a better word is adopted, its what we have as a catch all that is most likely being misused, but most of us understand what people are getting at.

LOS is also a terrible term for how we use it, but its what we've got. Like rap music and video games replacing our education system.

So in reality, you're saying kiting is successful by keeping distance between your opponent? Meaning if the person is focusing you knows what a stun, root, slow, or a knock back is, you aren't going to successfully "kite" them?

LoS is effective simply because it actually can not be countered as easily as straight distance and running. It completely breaks ranged DPS output, along with melee DPS with a stun and a 10 meter move around, say, a pillar. Using both of those cases as a healer gives you an immediate window for casts, while your definition of kiting means the healer spends more time running while your team kills them. So if you want to be literal, then I guess you can have the true definition of kiting on your side of the argument.

But if you play against a DPS that knows what they're doing, then making anything that isn't an operative attempt to follow your definition of kiting means the enemy DPS are succeeding in their job: stopping the healer from effectively healing. Waste time running, and try to keep an enemy at a distance that knows one of their short defensive CDs negates everything you throw at them as slows or stuns, especially stealth DPSers.

And regarding your point about not being able to LoS without movement speed.........wut? You do realize the whole key to healer positioning is to make sure you aren't standing in the open and to go unnoticed, right? Good healers postion themselves out of the way and know there is always something nearby to break LoS. If you need a speed boost to get to something that will LoS, then you probably don't know how to properly LoS.



Yeah, to be honest, I just use it as a general term referring to strategy players use when they have the enemy team focusing on them. Didn't really know there was an authority on the matter or even where it came from xD

Do you not attack an enemy healer simply because he's standing behind a pillar? Healers WILL get attacked during a warzone. They WILL have to move and reposition constantly. Seriously, have you ever played a warzone against a good team where your healer could sit back and free cast because he was standing behind something? And yes, there are a number of ways to help them escape, and yes, transcendence wouldn't but the first on that list because, you're right, it does have a higher cost than other abilities to help out healers, but it's still on that list. Just like using a grenade on a single target wouldn't be first on my list to assist a capper, I'm gonna do it if that's the best option available to me.

Just to reiterate, my point is simple: it's like abandoning a node in Hypergate to grab orbs when you think the enemy team isn't going to send someone to attack it. Sure, you can think that all you want, and even still, you might be able to run into middle, grab orbs, and get back without an attack. It's just, like you put it, not first on my list as the smartest thing to do.

Speed boost as an operative is the only thing I see that working for since they are mobile healers, even if most successful kiting is done by LoS not overall speed. But if you're expecting to successfully kite smart DPS as a sorc, a little speed boost isn't going to save you.

Is that seriously the best analogy you can come up with? The usage and the risk/reward tradeoff isn't remotely close between those two. Let me make a similar analogy: not using a warzone adrenal is like abandoning a node in Hypergate to grab orbs when you think the enemy isn't going to send someone to attack it.

The original question was, what are things people can do to help healers. Popping transcendence is on that list. Yes, it's not first, but people should still know it's an option.

Using my CC to help out healers is not first on my list for how I want to use CC. First on my list would be to use them for CC cap. Second on my list would be to use them to prevent an enemy healer from healing himself so I can spike him out. Third would be to help out my healer. Just because it's third on my list for uses of CC doesn't mean it's a waste to use CC to help out a healer.

That's like saying a DPS sorc shouldn't use force speed to get away from melee dps... You clearly are not smart.

Sigh.

It's not something I consider to be an effective strategy in the long run, no. But that's actually not even close to what I'm saying.

I'm saying LoS is more effective than speed, which I can prove with how easy it is to counter basic Force Speed and Predation. Force Speed doesn't cost the user really anything besides two seconds of time, in exchange for a much larger boost in speed away from something. Kind of like a roll where it's an immediate gap creator.

And secondly, because LoS is more effective than speed, it is more of a healer failure if they are advising people to waste 30 stacks of Fury for a speed boost that isn't very effective, Carnage Maras/equivalent Sentinel spec being the exception.

So do you understand now? Or was that too much for your simple mind to understand?

give it up guys, you can't read nor are you smart enough to write/read/understand these epics or game mechanics