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colmiak

08.15.2013 , 06:17 PM \| #71
pre 2.0 i would pop speed pretty much on cd to help out my healers... few of them mentioned it helps. plus the 10 percent melee/ranged defense is nice for the team as well post 2.0 i tend to only pop it when i see my healers getting a beatdown (usually awe crowd focusing healer and then pop speed) alacrity boost is what i use most now but using a stack to give healers some breathing room isn't what i'd consider a "waste" meh. waits for novel :p
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LaVall

08.15.2013 , 07:41 PM \| #72
Quote: Originally Posted by colmiak pre 2.0 i would pop speed pretty much on cd to help out my healers... few of them mentioned it helps. plus the 10 percent melee/ranged defense is nice for the team as well post 2.0 i tend to only pop it when i see my healers getting a beatdown (usually awe crowd focusing healer and then pop speed) alacrity boost is what i use most now but using a stack to give healers some breathing room isn't what i'd consider a "waste" meh. waits for novel TL;DR

ZooMzy

08.16.2013 , 08:50 AM \| #73
Quote: Originally Posted by colmiak pre 2.0 i would pop speed pretty much on cd to help out my healers... few of them mentioned it helps. plus the 10 percent melee/ranged defense is nice for the team as well post 2.0 i tend to only pop it when i see my healers getting a beatdown (usually awe crowd focusing healer and then pop speed) alacrity boost is what i use most now but using a stack to give healers some breathing room isn't what i'd consider a "waste" meh. waits for novel Again, depends on the situation and I did agree Carnage/the Sent equivalent spec makes predation more of a useful tool at times then the Beserk. So for that spec and the given situation, it might be a good tool. But considering that not many Maras/Sents play Carnage/Idk outside of Huttball (I believe Anni is the next favored spec after Smash?), predation is almost a useless ability to a majority of that player group. In addition to the fact that speed boosts, which aren't very noticeable outside of Carnage, are wasteful in the end if a root like Sever Tendon, Creeping Terror, Deadly Throw (which is the only one susceptible to missing/getting parried from the defensive boosts from Predation) along with all of the stuns are used on the healer trying to get away. Successful kiting is done through LoS, not running, because LoS is key to avoiding interrupts and gaining that little 1 second window to finish a cast while outright running away is an attempt to escape, not to gain "breathing room". If you believe you will gain breathing room from DPS just by running to the back of your team or making a certain distance, you are going to be surprised when the smart DPS catch up to you in the middle of a channel. Sorry it wasn't much of a novel, didn't have that much to argue against :/

DeathRainz

08.16.2013 , 12:52 PM \| #74
The one and only thing wrong with your thread is situation dictating and circumstances there all different!!!!! * But this is a great Thread to show the basics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gocard

08.16.2013 , 01:17 PM \| #75
Quote: Originally Posted by ZooMzy Again, depends on the situation and I did agree Carnage/the Sent equivalent spec makes predation more of a useful tool at times then the Beserk. So for that spec and the given situation, it might be a good tool. But considering that not many Maras/Sents play Carnage/Idk outside of Huttball (I believe Anni is the next favored spec after Smash?), predation is almost a useless ability to a majority of that player group. In addition to the fact that speed boosts, which aren't very noticeable outside of Carnage, are wasteful in the end if a root like Sever Tendon, Creeping Terror, Deadly Throw (which is the only one susceptible to missing/getting parried from the defensive boosts from Predation) along with all of the stuns are used on the healer trying to get away. Successful kiting is done through LoS, not running, because LoS is key to avoiding interrupts and gaining that little 1 second window to finish a cast while outright running away is an attempt to escape, not to gain "breathing room". If you believe you will gain breathing room from DPS just by running to the back of your team or making a certain distance, you are going to be surprised when the smart DPS catch up to you in the middle of a channel. Sorry it wasn't much of a novel, didn't have that much to argue against :/ Successful kiting it not solely done through LOS. There's a reason it's called kiting. You're keeping distance between yourself and your opponent (like you're flying a kite). The way to get that separation is either by knockback or by having a difference in movement speed, either through CC/roots or by difference in running speed through speed burst or slows. Really, the only time LOS works by itself is if you step behind something because you're getting focused by ranged attackers. Yes LOS is important for kiting knights/warriors/vanguards/PTs since they'll just leap back. But you won't get behind something to LOS without a difference in movement speed.
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Devinia-Hex

08.16.2013 , 01:28 PM \| #76
Flying a kite is normally standing still with a device that is light enough to be picked up by the wind and will stay in the air the more slack you give to the line holding it to you the farther it goes into the air. The Kite isn't trying to catch you and do bad things to you while you run away from it do whatever you can to keep it away. Kind of like trolling has nothing to do with a Troll something that is undead.... they are both words I call interenet speak that someone made up and people on the internet allowed it to become a word that had some meaning.
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Maelael

08.16.2013 , 01:34 PM \| #77
Sigh. You youngins. Kiting goes back to the EQ1 days. Where people would slow the mob or use a speed boost, and drag a mob behind them (Ala, a kid dragging a kite behind them on a beach) while nuking or DoTing it. It expanded into a more of a definition from there with "Fear Kiting" and into how we use it today. But that's where it comes from. People put LOS into that category now, along with anything that involves using movement to mitigate or avoid. Until a better word is adopted, its what we have as a catch all that is most likely being misused, but most of us understand what people are getting at. LOS is also a terrible term for how we use it, but its what we've got. Like rap music and video games replacing our education system.
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Foambreaker

08.16.2013 , 03:32 PM \| #78
the first caveman that kicked the other caveman in the knee and ran like hell was the first kiter, lol, EQ1

Maelael

08.16.2013 , 03:41 PM \| #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Foambreaker the first caveman that kicked the other caveman in the knee and ran like hell was the first kiter, lol, EQ1 Given your comments in these and other threads, I have just one question which may lead to others: Did you live under power lines when you were a kid?
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. There is no fear; there is power. I am the heart of the Force. I am the revealing fire of light. I am the mystery of darkness. In balance with chaos and harmony, Immortal in the Force.

Foambreaker

08.16.2013 , 07:15 PM \| #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Maelael Given your comments in these and other threads, I have just one question which may lead to others: Did you live under power lines when you were a kid? Insulting someone who disagrees with you is a sign of insecurity

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