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Developer Update: Warzone Arenas

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Developer Update: Warzone Arenas
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curtkram
08.15.2013 , 09:01 AM | #381
it sounds like if you group as 3, you will pug the 4th and it will count towards the single-person ranked instead of the group ranked.

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Lecto
08.15.2013 , 09:05 AM | #382
I'm not sure how I feel about this; however, I didn't read all of the 11 previous pages of responses either before posting. I really don't care about the ranked WZ's....you guys can do what you want to do with those. My Guild has never had the manpower to run these, nor the interest really.

On the other hand, I feel a little miffed that these 4v4 matches & the 8v8 matches are going to be in the same matchmaking system. Especially when you consider that the PvP Group finder is going to try to put together "balanced teams" for 4v4 matches...as a healer I'm never going to get placed in an 8v8 match -- very depressing. I'd much rather have the 8v8 & the 4v4 be their own separate q's & even have their own dailies. I'm not saying I don't like the 4v4s because I do, but I don't want to have them forced on me when I want to do 8v8 matches. Now I could have read this wrong, but I don't think I have.....I hope I did....

PS: On a lighter note.....I am SO HYPED for a new Hutt-Ball match!!
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AlexModny
08.15.2013 , 09:29 AM | #383 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Quote: Originally Posted by Elminster_cs View Post
2) We will see only empire vs republic or also empire vs empire and republic vs republic?

Warzone Arena matches can be Empire vs Republic, Empire vs Empire or Republic vs Republic.

Quote: Originally Posted by Elminster_cs View Post
3) Reward based on seasons endings are only thing like title or we will see unique mounts, pets, gear, achievements, etc?

Rewards will be announced after Season 1 starts but to tease yall, they are unique and make me very happy!
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cycao
08.15.2013 , 09:55 AM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
Keep in mind that if all 3 are dps you'll never get an arena either.
I was under the impression that only ranked solo will take into account group composition.

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Avicii
08.15.2013 , 10:10 AM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
^ This, a thousand times this!

I enjoy playing goal oriented WZs, because it means my characters no matter how bad in 1v1 have a use.

Sure straight PvP sounds fun too, but an option between "classic WZs" (no arenas) and "new WZs"(with arenas) would be a nice queue option to have.
I dont think adding it to the WZ Q is a good idea at all, actually its horrible for those that dont like arena and those that hate PuGs vs Premades. How they dont see that or can turn a blind eye to it is beyond me.

This has bad idea written all over it. I am not against premades even if this comes across that way as I have ran them as well as solo queued I enjoy having options. I just would like it better if they set it up to make the most people happy and most people are solo queuers. I dont want people to stop playing because of something dumb that can be avoided.

That said, look at the current PvP forums the past year and some of the largest threads are about premades vs PuGs and how most solo queues hate it.

Putting Reg arenas in the reg WZ queue will enhance the pugs vs premade complaints.

Players that aren't as good that get stomped in RWZs already get a max geared group and queue regs to stomp pugs. On the Baston there is a particular player that constantly spams gen chat in the evening looking for max geared DPS with a gear check to queue for regs yet they never queue RWZs. I have seen them also in a stream talking **** to pugs they stomp when matched with another premade queue. This will only get worse IMO.

Now if I understand what's going to occur is these players will get into arena queues with the best comp to stomp pugs that get grouped together that haven't played together and won't have the best comp and or augmented gear. This will lead to more people quitting and ************ despite what people say there is a group of people that do not want competition a they just want to stomp pugs. People will look at their class comp and leave. This is a bad idea.

In addition to some people do not want to play arenas at all. This when they queue for a WZ if they get arena they will leave and why shouldnt they?

I get that this is a way to get people in arena queue and have they try it out but people will be leaving right and left leaving arena teams short team members. I get there will be a rating, what some teams will surely do is take 1 player geared with a super low or no rating or an alt to ensure they get matched with lower rated players. Prepare for these forums to be inundated with massive qq threads.

I ask you please to reconsider this choice. Review the PvP forums, look at your metrics for Solo queues vs Groups queues and who leaves what WZs with what composition. Removing RWZs already has part of the hardcore players up in arms dont get the casuals unsubbing as well due to not thinking something through.

Most of us really want this game to succeed and we want to continue playing it to do so we need people to stay sub and happily buying CCs and having fun. Removing options and forcing players into PvP scenarios they dislike will cause them to grow disillusioned eventually hurting us all in the long run.

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08.15.2013 , 10:26 AM | #386 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
it sounds like if you group as 3, you will pug the 4th and it will count towards the single-person ranked instead of the group ranked.

You can only play Ranked as a premade 4-player team or a 1 person solo grouped with and going against other solo players. The two do not mix.
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cycao
08.15.2013 , 10:33 AM | #387
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post

Rewards will be announced after Season 1 starts but to tease yall, they are unique and make me very happy!
You and cliff hangers...arg.

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Chiron_Prime
08.15.2013 , 10:40 AM | #388
Alex,

I honestly think you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot by limiting PvP options to players. You've decided that removing 8 vs. 8 ranked is a good idea, and most of the more hardcore PvPers (and others) are not happy about this. If you're gonna have a role check for arenas, you could allow solo queuing for ranked 4 man arenas and 8 man warzones, which would increase the numbers of players doing ranked. I honestly think the 2 biggest complaints from pugs is, pug vs. premade, which you could easily solve by making seperate queues for solo's and 4 or 8 man groups, that way pugs play pugs and premades can play premades, and the other complaint I see a lot is a lack of choice. Not everyone likes Huttball, and not everyone will like arenas. Let people choose which warzones they want to queue for, much like FP's and Ops people select which one they want to do. This would drastically reduce the number of quitters before a match even starts.

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Grue_Hunter
08.15.2013 , 10:41 AM | #389
Ok, Alex. Kudos on getting my attention (ears/leks are perked up here).

The design sounds good - the potential is there, not quite glad I renewed yet, but I am feeling much more positive. I wonder if valour is going to find a place in the new PvP setup and whether it will play a role in accessing PvP gear. Plus, I wonder whether the PvP gear will be competitive with the PvE gear. [The last batch of gear was not sufficient for me to join my guildmates on many of their quests -- consequently, I was forced to choose between the PvP grind and losing many of the joys of PvE; or going PvE and missing out on my favourite MMO activity (PvP).]

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Grue_Hunter
08.15.2013 , 10:43 AM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
^ This, a thousand times this!

I enjoy playing goal oriented WZs, because it means my characters no matter how bad in 1v1 have a use.

Sure straight PvP sounds fun too, but an option between "classic WZs" (no arenas) and "new WZs"(with arenas) would be a nice queue option to have.
It sounds like the old warzones are not gone -- it's just you will have to PUG them.