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Developer Update: Warzone Arenas

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Developer Update: Warzone Arenas
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iamthehoyden
08.14.2013 , 04:32 PM | #311
The other thing I was wondering about was how players dropping was going to be handled.

Since objective 8v8 warzones and deathmatch 4v4 arenas are apparently going to be in the same queue without options to pick one or the other, you will have players who will drop when they get one they don't care for. With the current system, there's no real penalty for dropping. With arenas, one player dropping could have a devastating effect on their team.

1. Is there going to be any change to the way warzone dropping is handled? Penalties?
2. How is backfilling into arenas going to be handled?
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08.14.2013 , 04:34 PM | #312
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
That is a possibility depending on other factors besides queue population as well, but not promises and definitely no timetable on such a change.
Alex, I urge you to stress to the team the need to do this. You have already alienated a large portion of pvp players by having us go long stretches without pvp updates. This is further compounded by the removal of Ranked 8v8. While I cannot speak to everyone, I myself was hoping that I would be able to solo queue and perhaps finally get into these with the 2.4 update. Needless to say, I am very disappointed. As I stated earlier in this thread, I do not want to be forced to play through streams of deathmatches just to get to the objective-based pvp I was able to play before. With the inclusion of 3 (soon 4) Deathmatch Arenas, the odds will be close to 50% that every time that queue pops, I will be thrown in one. That really sucks for those of us that have limited time to play and want to get their fix.

I urge you to create a seperate queue for arena, Objective, or random(both) wzs. Please.

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snave
08.14.2013 , 04:34 PM | #313
I'll be having representatives from a lot of the major pvp guilds on my chat show this weekend, the thread below has more information and I'd really like to get more input from the community during the show.

It's this Saturday at 5pm gmt+1 and you can see previous shows on my YouTube channel.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=671350

There are many concerns about this change, I'm hoping the pvp community will get together and voice their concerns but at the same time acknowledge the concept behind the proposed changes.

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AlexModny
08.14.2013 , 04:35 PM | #314 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Hey everyone, I'm going to sign off for the day! Thanks for reading the blog post, asking questions, and giving feedback. We will continue to monitor the thread but I won't be posting for the rest of the day. Looking forward to playing Arenas with everyone this weekend on PTS. Happy hunting!

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08.14.2013 , 04:45 PM | #315
Sign this petition to save Ranked 8v8, There is no reason 8v8 and 4v4 can't stand together.
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snave
08.14.2013 , 04:48 PM | #316
I'll be having representatives from a lot of the major pvp guilds on my chat show this weekend, the thread below has more information and I'd really like to get more input from the community during the show.

It's this Saturday at 5pm gmt+1 and you can see previous shows on my YouTube channel.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=671350

There are many concerns about this change, I'm hoping the pvp community will get together and voice their concerns but at the same time acknowledge the concept behind the proposed changes.

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Yndras
08.14.2013 , 04:49 PM | #317
Quote: Originally Posted by CourtneyWoods View Post
Hey Sammenn and Scriffle,

Alex is not intentionally dodging your question nor are there looming higher ups telling him not to post. The truth is he answered your question in the blog itself:

"We are sad to see it go but the truth is that because of many factors not enough people played them and we didnít support them well enough, so they are going away for now. Getting eight friends together and hoping another eight people are doing the same at the exact same time AND your two teams were equally matched was a nightmare for the players. It is possible that Ranked 8v8 Warzones will come back at a later time if we can solve some of the problems with them and if the population is there to support them."

We will now be focusing 4v4 Ranked Arenas, but as the blog says that doesn't mean Ranked 8v8 Warzones are off the table forever. But not until we can solve the issues around them.
With all due respect Courtney, that does not answer the question at all. The reason stated does not justify the means.

As an organiser of ranked games, for my guild, and between other guilds of late, and the organiser of a Ranked league on the Harbinger, I find this news completely harrowing. Sure sometimes the organising can be difficult, but you can't remove a feature just because you guys think its too hard. That's absolute ********. I have been organising it myself and its NOT THAT HARD. Ask anyone involved in a ranked team.

8v8 ranked warzones are a completely unique piece of warzone play. And the game play in them is spectacular. Playing non ranked warzones is a drag, because they are played sooo poorly. You might as well remove all the 8v8 warzone maps, they are pointless if the cant be played properly.

Im all for arena's don't get me wrong, but this is supposed to ADD to our pvp choices, not detract from them. This, among many other decisions goes amongst the worst bioware have made.

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Chiron_Prime
08.14.2013 , 05:15 PM | #318
Honestly I just got home and found one and a half pages of dev tracker to read, so I'm not going to go through this whole post, but just off the first things I've read in the dev tracker, one thing is obvious... the team have dropped 8 vs. 8 ranked in favour of solo queuing and 4 man premades for ranked arenas. Citing the issue that its tough to get full 8 man groups together to face other 8 man groups... well here's a suggestion taken from your own solution to 4 man arenas. How about adding solo queue for ranked to 8 man warzones, since honestly, regular warzones pop every few seconds on The Red Eclipse (a PvE server) and I've never waited more than a few minutes for one.

Just let people choose if they want to queue for ranked or not, and add a role system like whats seems to be coming for arenas and is in place for FP's and Ops. So we wait a few more minutes for a ranked pop instead of a regular one while the systems tries to make to even sides... I think it would be a better solution than just throwing it off to the side for now (probably never to return) and possibly lose more subs that actually like ranked at the moment.

PS. Although I'm all for new PvP... not everyone is jumping for joy over arenas... some will claim it ruined PvP in other games that will remain unnamed...

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08.14.2013 , 05:16 PM | #319
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Meh new hutball is always nice


Anyways tell us more about 2.4 raiding
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Yndras
08.14.2013 , 05:19 PM | #320
Quote: Originally Posted by Chiron_Prime View Post
Honestly I just got home and found one and a half pages of dev tracker to read, so I'm not going to go through this whole post, but just off the first things I've read in the dev tracker, one thing is obvious... the team have dropped 8 vs. 8 ranked in favour of solo queuing and 4 man premades for ranked arenas. Citing the issue that its tough to get full 8 man groups together to face other 8 man groups... well here's a suggestion taken from your own solution to 4 man arenas. How about adding solo queue for ranked to 8 man warzones, since honestly, regular warzones pop every few seconds on The Red Eclipse (a PvE server) and I've never waited more than a few minutes for one.

Just let people choose if they want to queue for ranked or not, and add a role system like whats seems to be coming for arenas and is in place for FP's and Ops. So we wait a few more minutes for a ranked pop instead of a regular one while the systems tries to make to even sides... I think it would be a better solution than just throwing it off to the side for now (probably never to return) and possibly lose more subs that actually like ranked at the moment.

PS. Although I'm all for new PvP... not everyone is jumping for joy over arenas... some will claim it ruined PvP in other games that will remain unnamed...
Unfortunately this would not work. Ranked 8v8 is a completely different game, and to behonest, the ranked solo queue would not be different from the current non ranked games. Any pug team would be obliterated by an organised and experience 8v8 team and the same thing will happen in arena's.
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