Why the consular/inquisitor nerf to force wave?

I don't intend this as a personal insult, but this is pretty bad game design.

Why do we want the old version? Is it better in PvE? It's a weaker directional push. It's only advantage is in explicitly breaking up grouped mobs, which is very rarely useful. In most cases, you'd want to group mobs tighter, and for that, the new version is slightly better. In PvP, it gives you some backstab prevention and a quick-cooldown annoyance/deprivation usage (when a pair of Sage/Sorcs hang out in a tunnel), which you already concede to disable.

So, why do we want it back? Why are we creating PvE and PvP versions of an ability.... forcing players to swap abilities based on situation?

Because of the cooler animation? Seriously?

That's not a good way to design games. Requesting a cooler animation is fine. Just ask for that. Making copies of abilities with specific situational usage... no... that's just an example of why most people here aren't designing games.

I'd be happier if they just removed it so I could stop having people use it in flashpoints/ops because they're terrible.

i think you're missing the point of force wave.

knocking people out of being grouped up means no AOE. as someone who plays a dps, a tank, and a healer, i can say that any person who runs in and uses their knockback to break up a pack of grouped mobs is just hindering the group's ability to take them down.

on the contrary, i know exactly what i was doing, i was using an uncommon strategy that most people would pass off as foolish, but in essence worked for us better than anyone here may expect... it may seem crazy to send the group flying in multiple directions thus reducing AoE opportunities but when you have next to no AoE skills it works quite well, especially if it's the last AoE you fire off in your rotation... thus making the stragglers that didn't die from the opening salvo easy pickings that die in 1 or 2 hits... as i said it's a strategy that worked for us your mileage may vary...
i also don't just go off firing it off at random when the cooldown finishes, i use strategy, you gotta know when to use it and when not to...

I've met so many random Sages that act as if Force Wave were their only/best/most useful AoE heal, completely ignoring that they've got Salvation *and* how Force Wave is a pretty terrible heal from any perspective. The "KBs also heal" talents made me facepalm *so* hard when I saw them because I knew it would only make them use the KBs that many of them *already* overused and used poorly even more often.

You sure you thought it was 30m? You realize that 30m is the max range of all sage/sorc attacks, that would be absolutely insane. You could clear an entire battlefield with that range. You had to be thinking of a different number.



Agreed, I can't stand when people use knockbacks against groups of adds, unless they're well aimed and actually condense the group instead of spreading it out. But that rarely happens, it's usually some healer (especially since knockbacks can be specc'd to heal) or derpy DPS who wanders over and ends up knocking the adds all away from the tank and/or DPS. As a tank that means I can't get aggro on them anymore from my AOEs, and end up losing a few to the healer/DPS. As a DPS that means that my big AOEs also can't hit, and we have to single target down what was perfectly a condensed group.

I guess they came to the conclusion that too many were playing sorcs and sages so they decided to destroy a lot of aspects of the class. Here are some examples of what's been going on since launch:

*Nerf to our good procs
*Nerf to 360 KB
*Nerf to stun range, which makes no sense when our effective range, as a ranged AC, is atleast 30 meters
*Nerf to WW by making it a channeled ability, even when speced in to.
*Nerf to armor rating, on a light armor class. Makes no sense at all.

So as a healer, madness or heavy madness hybrid you have a maximum of one stun, on atleast a 50 s CD, and a root. A lot of sorcs/sages have taken WW off their quickbars or replaced their keyboard location due to how rare it is that we get it off, you literally never get it off on an enemy that is focusing you unless you waste the stun first and ultimately fill their resolve bar. And this is all on a class with light armor, far from the best burst in the game and not the best sustained output.

Predictions for upcoming class re-balancing:
*1 minute CD on force speed
*1 minute CD on bubble + losing the ability to bubble team mates
*CD on force lightning, even when speced in to in the madness tree

I wouldnt be surprised by any nerf they possibly could come up with at this point.