ETA on Advanced Class change?

Honestly, If i were the devs and were discussing this, testing it out, etc I would not say a WORD about it until I had to.

Then they could throw it up on PTS and actually gauge the reaction.

The effect? How about more end game diversity? People getting more involved with a single character. People participating in more end game content to get gear for both of their advance classes. Instead of having to level the same class for the opposite ac, people could spend that time to level a whole new class, or do other things like datacron hunting, achievements, ect. We all know its not that hard to level, but its not about how hard it is, its time consuming, and a huge throw off to have to level the same class twice for a different AC.

Would it be welcomed? I strongly believe so. I mean this is has been a popular question since this game was first shown. There was a video someone posted awhile back even showing that the devs said that they were going to allow AC changes before the game was created so people who made the mistake of choosing an advance class that they didnt like could fix that with some consequences if it happens many times (like spending lots of credits or cartel coins). The simple fact is that this game can allow AC changes without it crossing that invisible rule of no class changes that most MMORPGS follow.

The devs were considering allowing class changes before the game was released, but due to the OVERWHELMING majority being against class changes, the devs elected NOT to allow class changes. The devs are on record as stating that AC's are different classes. While you may not agree with the devs, they are the ruling body and they make the rules, including those governing classes.

Since the devs have stated that AC's are DIFFERENT classes, they cannot allow AC changes without crossing that invisible rule of no class changes that most MMO's follow.

You make many good points, but I think that the point I bolded is not one of them. Whether AC's are different classes or not is not speculative and up to the individual. The devs, the ruling body of this game, are on record as stating that the different AC's are different classes, and they have been consistent with those statements since before this game was released. To say that whether or not AC's are different classes is up to the individual would be like saying that is up to the individual playing WOW whether or not mage and warlock are different classes. The devs make the rules and define classes, not the players.

Individual players may not agree and may want to consider AC's as different specs of the same class, but their views do not trump those of the devs.

Will it be easier to code a change from marauder to juggernaut than it would to code a change from marauder to mercenary? Possibly, and maybe even probably. Only the devs know what flags are attached to our characters when we choose our AC and how difficult it would be to change those flags.

I have acknowledged many times that the devs CAN change the game any way they want at any time.

I have also noted that they have NOT chosen to make any changes when it comes to allowing class changes.

"Likely happen" does NOT mean "will happen". The devs implied NOTHING. You are choosing to interpret "likely happen" as "will happen". The devs also stated that even if they were considering something, that does NOT mean it will happen.


You are correct if you take that last statement out of context and only choose to read that last sentence. Any reasonable person would realize that since I was talking about class changes when I made that statement, that statement referred to class changes and not the game as a whole. Silly me, I forgot to take into account certain individuals. Allow me to correct that statement to make it more understandable for those individuals.

Yes, the devs CAN change the rules and mechanics anytime they choose. They have NOT chosen to do so with regards to class changes since before launch.

I agree with you on nothing. I simply noted that while MMO's may be ever changing, the devs have NOT changed the mechanics regarding class changes, nor have they said anything regarding changing their stance that AC's are DIFFERENT classes.

Where did I even mention changing class on the fly, or even changing class multiple times? You are deliberately misrepresenting what I said in order to muddy the waters.

We are not talking about a SINGLE person changing class. According to you, we are talking about MULTITUDES of people changing class. While a single person may not interact with the majority of the players, multitudes of people changing class would mean that in all likelihood, every player in the game would be affected by someone who changed class.

If you wish to backpedal and claim that it would not be multitudes of people changing class, but rather a few people, then I would ask why change the existing game mechanics for "a few people"?


It is poosible to play all the way to max level without using a heal spell or a taunt if you level as DPS, but I'm betting that even most players who choose to level as DPS will be familiar with their taunts (or heals) are and will have used them. Show me a tanking class that even has a heal or a healing class that even has a taunt.

Show me a tank who doesn't use their taunt and I will show you a BAD tank. Every tank I play regularly with knows and USES their taunt. Tanks may not use taunt as part of a normal rotation, but every tank needs to know where their taunt button is and when to use it. Heck, I use taunt on my assassin when I'm DPS'ing to protect my healer if he accidentally pulls aggro.

Tool-tips do NOT provide the kind of training and experience with skills that a player will gain while leveling and are a poor substitute for the leveling process.

I never said all ranged classes play exactly the same, but the general ranged play style is the same, just as not all melee classes play exactly the same, but the general melee play style is the same. It should not take too long for a player to realize that they do not like melee and maybe a ranged class would be more their style, or vice versa.

You should not need to know exactly how a given class will play at end game, or even level 35-45, to know if you prefer ranged or melee.

Since you want to claim that you cannot know if you like your class til at least level 35-45, you must also acknowledge that a player cannot know if they will like sorcerer or not till at least level 35-45. That player may know they do not like melee, so they may not want to switch to assassin. They may, however, want to change their class to mercenary, another ranged class. If we are going to allow class changes at levels as high as 35-45 or higher, then why should the person who knows they do not like melee, but maybe wants to try another ranged class have to re-roll?

I do not expect to see a dev post as I do not think the devs want to touch this issue with ten foot lightsaber.

If the devs do decide to make a statement, I would expect it to be along the lines of the ambiguous statement made in November 2012, which some see as a promise that we will have class changes and some see as a "soft no".

Since the lack of an indicator that there is a dev post next to the title of the thread on the general discussion page tells us there has been no dev post, I find this hard to believe.

In other words, no little yellow symbol next to thread title means no dev post, so no need to continue to check the thread for a dev post.

An individuals views always trump someone elses views when it comes to that individual. With all due respect to say anything different is ridiculous.

The devs stated that visual progression was vital to the game and it's design, and allowing cross class appearance would violate the very intent of the visual progression model and would not be healthy for the title. I disagreed. There is no longer visual progression.

The devs do not give me my opinion. Nor does anyone else. I am not a sheep. I'm willing to bet that applies to just about anyone.

You make your own opinion. It is trumped by nothing and no one....YOU choose to change that opinion based on what someone else thinks, but that is a choice YOU make.

And that was my point. AC being a class is a personal view....the devs do not define it, I do not define it, you do not define it with respect to a persons perception of it.

That individual defines it. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.

Now, if you want to talk about whether that definition is correct or sensible....that is another matter entirely.

One can argue that the devs see them as fundamentally different class designs. After all they said so. One can not argue that you should see them as classes because the devs say they are classes.

You see them as you want to see them. Devs define classes for the game. They do not define them for you.