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Is it time to retire Classic Coms and bring the other raids in line with the top end?

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Is it time to retire Classic Coms and bring the other raids in line with the top end?

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GatorAndy
08.09.2013 , 01:21 PM | #31
Why rebalance the current modes? IF they want to revisit the old Ops, they should not effect what gameplay is available for the level 50-54s. They should just add a new "level 55 Super Hard Nightmare" mode.

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ZionHalcyon
08.09.2013 , 01:23 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
That's a very black and white way of looking at a grey issue. Would you have been OK with only having one relevant operation when 2.0 hit? I wouldn't be. Only having S&V to do would have been a lot worse than having both TFB and S&V. Between TFB and the original 55 flashpoints they clearly feel that sometimes it's worth the trade off to update old content, and I would agree with that. I would like to see the old ops become at least partially relevant in the current state of things.
Exactly. Some upkeep is needed or else the game will end up decaying from within.

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hadoken
08.09.2013 , 01:25 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
Nope. Really, I see the merit in your arguement. This content should be relevant to 55. Ask yourself why though.

Bioware bumped TFB up and pushed S&V out to justify a cash grab on ROTHC. Now the problem arises where people realize the lack of real content in this "teir"?

It was lazy to just re balance TFB. Also, consider the fact that a returning player who subbed in the past and cleared TFB at lvl 50 can't even enter the instance now....hilarious. Honestly a big joke.

The reality is, NEW CONTENT OF ALL VARIETIES IS NEEDED ATM. Not just a new companion and a couple of flash points.....a REAL expansion.
Yea that's exactly right, all the level 55 flashpoints from the expac were retuned old crap. It's pretty clear the team can't work on new stuff and redo old stuff - the old stuff becomes 'hey it's new, be happy'.

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ZionHalcyon
08.09.2013 , 01:31 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by GatorAndy View Post
Why rebalance the current modes? IF they want to revisit the old Ops, they should not effect what gameplay is available for the level 50-54s. They should just add a new "level 55 Super Hard Nightmare" mode.
You are missing the point. Currently the current gameplay for 50-54 is a confused com grind for Classic Coms with a sparce smattering of basic coms, where before you can even land a full set of black hole/dread guard gear you already are at level 55 and moving on to artifact, arkanian and underworld gear. It really makes no sense from a gameplay position.

Instead, it makes a lot more sense for 50-54 be set up towards basic coms and artifact gear, with 55 being the target for arkanian and then underworld gear, as the artifact gear will at least be of use in 55 hard mode ops, and by then you should have a full set of artifact going in. Right now, classic coms are like an appendix in terms of tier progression: its there, but kind of pointless.

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MillionsKNives
08.09.2013 , 01:33 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by hadoken View Post
Yea that's exactly right, all the level 55 flashpoints from the expac were retuned old crap. It's pretty clear the team can't work on new stuff and redo old stuff - the old stuff becomes 'hey it's new, be happy'.
Yeah it sucks, there wasn't a single new thing they added in RotHC. They didn't bring anything new to go along with their updates to old content. Makeb? Old stuff. S&V? Old stuff. Seeker/Macrobinocular? Old stuff. And if only they would have release SOME new stuff since.

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hadoken
08.09.2013 , 01:34 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
Yeah it sucks, there wasn't a single new thing they added in RotHC. They didn't bring anything new to go along with their updates to old content. Makeb? Old stuff. S&V? Old stuff. Seeker/Macrobinocular? Old stuff. And if only they would have release SOME new stuff since.
It's funny how you can quote something directly and still manage to take it out of context. Or did you not see "55 flashpoints" in there?

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ZionHalcyon
08.09.2013 , 01:36 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
Nope. Really, I see the merit in your arguement. This content should be relevant to 55. Ask yourself why though.

Bioware bumped TFB up and pushed S&V out to justify a cash grab on ROTHC. Now the problem arises where people realize the lack of real content in this "teir"?

It was lazy to just re balance TFB. Also, consider the fact that a returning player who subbed in the past and cleared TFB at lvl 50 can't even enter the instance now....hilarious. Honestly a big joke.

The reality is, NEW CONTENT OF ALL VARIETIES IS NEEDED ATM. Not just a new companion and a couple of flash points.....a REAL expansion.
As a raider, I can tell you I have NO PROBLEM with TFB and S&V and their place in things. Those are fine as they are - it sounds more like you do have some lingering bitterness towards bioware about RotHC and their business and marketing practices, which is a separate issue.

In terms of ops and raid progression - TFB and S&V are fine as they are - the issue is EV, KP, and EC getting pulled from the rotation and having no value to someone who is a geared level 55. My suggestion is to change that, as well as remove the classic com model, which really if you want to talk about appeasement, seems left in for those people who were LOUDLY complaining about the new raids making campaign and black hole gear irrelevant.

Going forward, a straight up Basic/Elite/Ultimate tier makes more sense, and as higher level raids become available, everything can be moved down a slot.

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ZionHalcyon
08.09.2013 , 01:39 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
Yeah it sucks, there wasn't a single new thing they added in RotHC. They didn't bring anything new to go along with their updates to old content. Makeb? Old stuff. S&V? Old stuff. Seeker/Macrobinocular? Old stuff. And if only they would have release SOME new stuff since.
people believe what they want to believe.

Since they already had hardmodes of some of their flashpoints, I thought it was a no brainer that eventually every flashpoint was going to have a hard mode. Yet this somehow upset people who think this was some clever ploy to disguise old content as new. I just saw it as a continuation of the development cycle.

Ah well, as they say, haters gonna hate.

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MillionsKNives
08.09.2013 , 01:40 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by hadoken View Post
It's funny how you can quote something directly and still manage to take it out of context. Or did you not see "55 flashpoints" in there?
I read it just fine. You used 55 flashpoints as evidence that they cannot make new and old content at the same time. That's cherry picking when you completely ignore all of the rest of the new content that they worked on at the same time.

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hadoken
08.09.2013 , 01:40 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
people believe what they want to believe.

Since they already had hardmodes of some of their flashpoints, I thought it was a no brainer that eventually every flashpoint was going to have a hard mode. Yet this somehow upset people who think this was some clever ploy to disguise old content as new. I just saw it as a continuation of the development cycle.

Ah well, as they say, haters gonna hate.
And there you have it. Upgrading old content for the current cap is just "continuation of the development cycle" to you.

I think I'm done here, good luck with your request.