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Callaron
08.09.2013 , 08:50 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlon_Nabarlly View Post
He never said people were rolling. He said he asked if he could have, no one answered, he took it, people got pissed.
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Quote: Originally Posted by theUndead View Post
[I]So he passed leadership onto me to I could loot. Now before everyone rolled I asked the group if I could take one of the Arkanian pieces for my two set. But no one responded so I naturally thought it was ok to take one of them for myself. However, when i did this I got yelled at and was told i'm a ninja and a ******e and all this other stuff. Now understand I did not take the boots and quit the group. After everyone yelled at me I apologized and got everyone roll again and I gave the boots to someone else.
For some reason "got everyone to roll again" made me think there were rolls in the first place.
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Screaming_Ziva
08.09.2013 , 09:00 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by theUndead View Post
Note: I am not posting this to complain or to get attention it was just something that happened and I wish to get opinions.

Now let me just start off by saying that this game and this forum have given me a harder skin and what happened to me did not really upset me but rather surprised me.

So today I was on my tank sin and I saw in general a 16man SM TFB was being formed. So I did not have anything to do so I volunteered. Now the rest of the team took forever to form and it was me as one tank and a Jugg. Now this Jugg did not know the fights at all and kept whispering me on what to do which I did not mind but this post is not about that. After just barely sc****** through the horror we made our way to the Dreadguards and even though I explained the strats as best I could I still had to explain to the other tank when to taunt etc.

So eventually we kill them and we make our way to the Operator. Now most people had not done this before so more explaining but we managed to kill the cores and I picked up the boss. The other poor tank could not keep threat so i basically solo tanked it. But it was what happened after the kill that really got things weird. So this Jugg was the raid leader and for some reason he could see the corpse of the boss to loot. So he passed leadership onto me to I could loot. Now before everyone rolled I asked the group if I could take one of the Arkanian pieces for my two set. But no one responded so I naturally thought it was ok to take one of them for myself. However, when i did this I got yelled at and was told i'm a ninja and a ******e and all this other stuff. Now understand I did not take the boots and quit the group. After everyone yelled at me I apologized and got everyone roll again and I gave the boots to someone else.

Now I am sure your wondering why I even bothered to post. It is really because I wish to know was I wrong for assuming and if the majority consensus is that I was then well yes I was wrong but on the other hand was it right for them to get so upset and call me names just for an assumption?

Any thoughts is welcome and flames I don't mind. Just tell me honestly. PS sorry for the long post.
Even though you asked and didn't get a response, why did you think everyone in a 16m raid would just let you have a pair of Arkanian boots? Especially since you said most of the people had never been there before and obviously needed them.

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TUXs
08.09.2013 , 09:01 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Screaming_Ziva View Post
Even though you asked and didn't get a response, why did you think everyone in a 16m raid would just let you have a pair of Arkanian boots? Especially since you said most of the people had never been there before and obviously needed them.
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xBenouze
08.09.2013 , 09:04 AM | #24
pfffff i personnaly hate when ppl don t answer to a simple question but when they want to insult u, here they talk now !!!! and don t tell me the 15 didn t see the chat ... btw u did the right thing, i would have done same as u except i would have lecture them for not answering before rerolling then maybe leave the group, as they won t go farther without you apprently, so that maybe next time they will answer.

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theUndead
08.09.2013 , 09:21 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Screaming_Ziva View Post
Even though you asked and didn't get a response, why did you think everyone in a 16m raid would just let you have a pair of Arkanian boots? Especially since you said most of the people had never been there before and obviously needed them.
I don't know. It was a stupid call on my part. I've been raiding long enough to know the rules and yeah I honestly don't know in the end I probably could have avoided it and in the end I will learn from it.
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Suromir
08.09.2013 , 09:23 AM | #26
well..first

were you the ONLY one that could use that arkanian piece? if not then...you're in a 16 man group. typically I'm of the mind "there's no harm in asking" but..on some cases. there kinda is. If you weren't the ONLY one that could use it. Then your asking was a bit...odd. Why should you get the sole piece? roll like anyone else....not to mention with how "orange" armor is in the game...it's the mods..not the shell.

Second. Yah, never assume no answer is an "ok" to do something.

In the end did they over-react? probably. But you shouldn't have assumed it was ok just because no one answered. as said..there's the possibility the people that might care didn't see you ask for whatever reason. Two. unless you're the ONLY person that can use an item (and with mods even then it's iffy) then you really have no right to ask for it directly. Roll like everyone else.

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theUndead
08.09.2013 , 09:25 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Suromir View Post
well..first

were you the ONLY one that could use that arkanian piece? if not then...you're in a 16 man group. typically I'm of the mind "there's no harm in asking" but..on some cases. there kinda is. If you weren't the ONLY one that could use it. Then your asking was a bit...odd. Why should you get the sole piece? roll like anyone else....not to mention with how "orange" armor is in the game...it's the mods..not the shell.

Second. Yah, never assume no answer is an "ok" to do something.

In the end did they over-react? probably. But you shouldn't have assumed it was ok just because no one answered. as said..there's the possibility the people that might care didn't see you ask for whatever reason. Two. unless you're the ONLY person that can use an item (and with mods even then it's iffy) then you really have no right to ask for it directly. Roll like everyone else.
Your right. I will not assume such things again in future raiding. I was really stupid and acted poorly.
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Icebergy
08.09.2013 , 09:40 AM | #28
Yea OP it was silly to even ask if you could take the boots, it was a 16man with a bunch of new people. But given that you did ask and no one answered I don't feel you were in the wrong. How hard is it to answer a question in chat?

Depending on the severity of the names they were calling you, personally I probably would have explained that it was a mistake and that no one responded when you asked and then quit the group. If the name calling was severe enough I might not have even handed out the boots first.

It sounds like that run would fail pretty quick without the OP, I wonder if any of them realized that before they called him a bunch of names.

It seems to me like most of the community and most people who raid do not understand the value of a good raid leader. If your raid has a solid leader it can overcome bosses it never would have been able to on sheer player skill alone.

I am kinda surprised that a standard practice to let a raid leader have a piece of gear during the course of a successful run as a thank you for leading has not developed.

But then, people are incredibly selfish and egocentric and probably assume the success of the run was due to themselves.
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Callaron
08.09.2013 , 09:46 AM | #29
A good raidleader and people that actually listen to him/her.
As for no responding to his question, I'm going to guess that no one wanted to be the "bad guy" that told him no, or they simply couldn't be bothered to respond.
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Never_Hesitate
08.09.2013 , 10:06 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Callaron View Post
or they simply couldn't be bothered to respond.
then they are just lazy and don't deserve any loot
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