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Need Official answer: Tauntaun quest, Griefing vs PVP

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Need Official answer: Tauntaun quest, Griefing vs PVP
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Arlon_Nabarlly
08.08.2013 , 09:47 AM | #61
If you don't like PvP then reroll or transfer to a PvE server. This is honestly one of the best things they've put in the game in a while now.

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08.08.2013 , 09:48 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by ninjonxb View Post
You guys do realize that the OP has not been here since page 2 and this is just being beaten to death at this point right?
Nothing new with threads like these.
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08.08.2013 , 09:57 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by ninjonxb View Post
You guys do realize that the OP has not been here since page 2 and this is just being beaten to death at this point right?
Don't slow us down...I'm impressed we've stayed on topic and agreed this long...that's rare
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08.08.2013 , 10:15 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by BaronV View Post
well i guess the concept of "griefing" lies in the eye of the beholder. To me griefing is any sort of activity where one person or group of people gain pleasure by intentionally denying someone else something or by intentional actions which ruin someone else's experience. ie an enjoyment that is derived from sucking it away from someone else. To me any sort of act like this is dirty and is like a bully.

If the OP was whining about being attacked on a PvP server id dismiss him outright and wouldnt even bother commenting on this topic. But he is talking about people who specifically wait for someone to spawn a tauntaun and only then attack them, choosing not to attack people who fail.

To me i see such selective targetting as bully that can have no other intention but to deny the person who spawned the tauntaun his chance at gaining the data drop.... hence the reason why i support the OPs idea of having the datas drop instantly.

If the datas drop instantly then it is a non-issue that the guy is selectively attacked, because like everyone says its a PvP server. Im not suggesting people not be allowed to attack others (especially on a pvp server), only that these sort of griefers have their motivation taken away from them.

But it would seem like the vociferous PvPers either cant see the forest for the trees, or want to be able to intentionally people of a chance at the mount.
well said and I too am in agreement to that definition of griefing.

it should also be stated you really don't need to kill the wampa. just run away from the nest and after a certain amount of time you get the mission reward anyways.

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08.08.2013 , 10:18 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Drudenfusz View Post
And I see that as a legit tactic. Nobody says every PvP has to be fair. Open world PvP is not like duels of honour, it is war, where people take advantages and pick their fights. For me it seems like OP would complain about getting blown into pieces even if he knew that he is walking into a minefield. Chosing a PvP server means one agrees that PvP can happen to one without prior notice and for whatever reasons peopel like.
I see one big problem with this mentality - your actions achieve nothing. What war exactly are you winning? The guy will just have to respawn, repair his armor, and try again... only to be ambushed moments from a victory that hurts you in no way, shape, or form. So no. This isn't war, it's just pointless trolling - griefing.

I can understand area denial. Nobody comes in but people from faction/guild X, which is a nice challenge for everyone and people understand what's going on pretty quickly. But letting them believe they have a chance to get their objective peacefully first? That's just cruel :/

Stealthers don't fight underhanded, at least not to me. That's part of their playstyle, nothing more, nothing less.

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branmakmuffin
08.08.2013 , 10:46 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Shinzzun View Post
Nicer ? I assume You can read and understand English ? no offence ment.

I think I made it crystal clear in my OP, they are waiting to see IF you are sucessful with the tame and ONLY then kill YOu so you wont get the data, if your not succesful in the tame they dont attack you as they are already bored of PVP and now just want to grief other players vs engaging in PVP for the sake of PVP.
Messing with other players, in whatever PvPish fashion, is not griefing in a PvP area or on a PvP server. They are playing the game the way the game was intended. If you don't want open-world PvP, play on a non-PvP server. Easy peasy.

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08.08.2013 , 11:06 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by ApostleThirst View Post
I see one big problem with this mentality - your actions achieve nothing. What war exactly are you winning? The guy will just have to respawn, repair his armor, and try again... only to be ambushed moments from a victory that hurts you in no way, shape, or form. So no. This isn't war, it's just pointless trolling - griefing.
As long as it stay just your opinion everything is fine between us, but the moment you have a problem that people have a different opinion you better play on a PvE server, because that 'pointless' behaviour is part of PvP. Some of us PvP players did PvP in plenty of games without any incentive or reason except that we think it is fun. If one roles on a PvP server then s/he has to live with people who do such things, that is part of what one has to accept, if one cannot accept that, a PvP server is not for you.

Quote: Originally Posted by ApostleThirst View Post
I can understand area denial. Nobody comes in but people from faction/guild X, which is a nice challenge for everyone and people understand what's going on pretty quickly. But letting them believe they have a chance to get their objective peacefully first? That's just cruel :/
And that cruelty is part of the game, it is not a bug, that uncertainty about who willattack and when it might happen is fun for quite a few PvP player. Look I always wonder when I am in fight with a mob and a player of the enemy faction comes along if s/he will attack me while I am fighting. Sometimes they do sometimes they don't and I play the same way, sometimes I ignore others in their fights and sometimes I attack them. That is part of what it means to play on a PvP server.

Quote: Originally Posted by ApostleThirst View Post
Stealthers don't fight underhanded, at least not to me. That's part of their playstyle, nothing more, nothing less.
I am pretty sure some people say that I have used quite unfair tactics on them. Attacking people while they are in a fight with a mob, pulling them into a group of mobs and vanish to come back when the mobs started attacking him/her, pushing them somewhere down with certain death without having them see me coming, looting some crates or take an quest item while someone else is fighting just to get rid of the mobs that are there to make it difficult to get it. The thing all those things are legit tactics to me, since it is part of the game, but some might not like it, call it honourless to do such things, but that is for me the mentality of a loser, a winner is aware that such things can happen and better yet tries to be prepared for tactics other players can use (like using abilities that prevent pulling or pushing when you think it would best for an opponent to use that now against you, but no those losers go to the forums and whine, like about how they don't like it to get pulled into the fire traps in huttball).

The mentality one has to have to be happy is that you have to look at it as a challenge. If one has not this play to win mentality one might not be happy, it might be the wrong decision to play on a PvP server. But that doesn't mean that the way PvP server work is flawed, it only means that some people are wrong there. Those wrong people should look into themselves and switch to a PvE server, since they are not capable of dealing with how a PvP server works and not come to the forums trying to change something the true PvP players are happy with how it is.
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08.08.2013 , 12:00 PM | #68
If it's red, it's dead.

If you don't share this mentality, get off my pvp servers you carebears!
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WarbNull
08.08.2013 , 01:37 PM | #69
PVP Server = Non-Issue. You risk the chance of being attacked no matter what you go out and do in areas where the Enemy Players can also go.

PVE Server = Still a Non-Issue. If you are on a PVE Server and go to do this quest then you can just turn off your flag and not worry about it. If you choose to have your Flag on then it is a Risk that you take. If you fear the gank then get a group to back you up.

Personally from my experience of this Quest on The ShadowLands server which is a PVE Server, I have not had any issues with the other Faction. In fact I have joined up with them for most of it and helped kill there Wampa's and vise verse. Basicaly each side is helping each other. Now there are some groups that camp the Nest and wait for the Un-Expecting enemy player to come along with their Flag turn on, but that is the risk that a player takes in turning on their Flags. Nothing wrong with that as it is not being Forced Upon them. I actually found it quite funny to watch.

Basically this Quest is not in any PVP Zone unless you are on a PVP Server. So it is all voluntary. I really like the way the quest was designed and laid out. They did a good job on it. In my opinion it has nothing to do PVP but it does allow for it on a voluntary mater. It is the best of both worlds really. How you want to experience it is up to you.
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08.08.2013 , 02:08 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Vecte View Post
If it's red, it's dead.
You might have some problems in one of the new flashpoints with that mindset.
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