Need Official answer: Tauntaun quest, Griefing vs PVP

You make it sound like 1vs1 is the only legit way to play PvP. That mentality is flawed in my opinion, true PvP player are not concered about what is honourable, but what let them win, and for that matter every advantage on can take is reasonable (as long as it does not include hacking of course). Use of tactics include thinking about the environment and make the best with the things at hand. OP, is limiting himself, so he loses fights and then complains because others do not limit themselves in the same way.

seems the OP has already made up his mind.

not sure why there is even a discussion.

i'm sure that this is all intended. someone mentioned that this year we would see an organic increase to pvp.
czerka dailies, tauntaun quest/mission/hobby/whatever you want to call it, and i'm sure something else soon.


i don't recall people complaining this much about the orokeet eggs, and they were pretty brutal i'm sure.
anyone with a knockback or a pull (even a friendly pull) could troll the ever-living bajeezus out of anyone just trying to get an egg.

I completely agree with you. If a player is getting attacked by the Wampa I see it as a golden opportunity to kill him since his attention is elsewhere. What I was trying to explain was the behavior the OP described (not attacking if the lure is unsuccessful) and that to be honest I can't understand. If I can use the environment to my advantage I will, but if I can't I'll still attack.

well i guess the concept of "griefing" lies in the eye of the beholder. To me griefing is any sort of activity where one person or group of people gain pleasure by intentionally denying someone else something or by intentional actions which ruin someone else's experience. ie an enjoyment that is derived from sucking it away from someone else. To me any sort of act like this is dirty and is like a bully.

If the OP was whining about being attacked on a PvP server id dismiss him outright and wouldnt even bother commenting on this topic. But he is talking about people who specifically wait for someone to spawn a tauntaun and only then attack them, choosing not to attack people who fail.

To me i see such selective targetting as bully that can have no other intention but to deny the person who spawned the tauntaun his chance at gaining the data drop.... hence the reason why i support the OPs idea of having the datas drop instantly.

If the datas drop instantly then it is a non-issue that the guy is selectively attacked, because like everyone says its a PvP server. Im not suggesting people not be allowed to attack others (especially on a pvp server), only that these sort of griefers have their motivation taken away from them.

But it would seem like the vociferous PvPers either cant see the forest for the trees, or want to be able to intentionally people of a chance at the mount.

Wrong. it boils down to the OP asking that the data things drop instantly if a spawn is successful.

I think most people are actually in agreement with your definition of griefing.
The thing is, and that's what a lot of people are trying to point out, that it's a common mindset among PvPers that this is perfectly acceptable - and since he chose to play on a PvP server...

Would that make peope who vanish into stealth instead of fighting me or running into an outpost of their faction where they get protection from NPCs griefers? I mean I have chosen a PvP server because PvP is fun for me, to tease me to be a possible target by playing on a PvP server but then avoiding it when it doesn't suit them or even come here on the forums asking BioWare to do something against a playstyle that is common and to be expected on a PvP server. So, in this regard, what OP is doing would be griefing. Luckily I don'T care much, because BioWare pays no attention to those griefers that could make the game less fun for me if BioWare actually would listen to them.

And I see that as a legit tactic. Nobody says every PvP has to be fair. Open world PvP is not like duels of honour, it is war, where people take advantages and pick their fights. For me it seems like OP would complain about getting blown into pieces even if he knew that he is walking into a minefield. Chosing a PvP server means one agrees that PvP can happen to one without prior notice and for whatever reasons peopel like.

BioWare implemented the spawnspoints in the open world, those are on a PvP server subject to open world PvP. If you don't like to get your PvE and PvP mixed, then don't play on a PvP server.

I think it is a good thing to have it that way, because it actually encurages open world PvP to happen. Sure, the motivation behind it might not be very honourable, but that the great thing about freedom of choice, everybodycan do what they decide to do. PvP servers are setup that way, so enforcing honourable behaviour would just mean one can play on a PvE server in the first place where that choice is also not existing.

I am all for it, that everybody can get their mount, but that doesn't mean it should be easy. If you want it on a PvP server, ask friends to protect you, go raid other players. If all you do is whinning on the forums, a PvP server was the wrong decision for you, because that's how it is on PvP servers.

I am not, like I pointed out earlier in this post. The motivation is meaningless, the only question is if it is setup in a way that allows certain behaviour or not. For that we have the distiction between PvE and PvP servers. When someone exploits methods on a PvE server to start a fight in a zone that should PvE focused, then we can talk about griefing.

Then I suggest the OP learn to read. The data things drop for DEFENDING the tauntaun against the Wampa. If the OP fails to do this, either because of wamps or other players, why the hell should he get the reward??? That's like asking for the loot to drop from a boss fight BEFORE you beat him...it's stupid.

I agree with TUXs

And if PvP interaction is not acceptable while pursuing PvE objectives.. then you don't roll on a PvP server. Simple as that.

You guys do realize that the OP has not been here since page 2 and this is just being beaten to death at this point right?