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Need Official answer: Tauntaun quest, Griefing vs PVP

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BaronV
08.08.2013 , 02:07 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Pagy View Post
whether they chose to attack you before, during or after a quest doesn't matter.

this is pvp on a pvp server. sorry. if you hate pvp then you should have rolled on a server that has mechanism in it to prevent things like this.
The OP clearly does not hate PvP. He hates griefing... and that bit about people being unable to distinguish between the two was clearly aimed at people with minds such as yours...
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BaronV
08.08.2013 , 02:14 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by MidichIorian View Post
Being selective regarding when and what you attack strikes me as a total dick move but I don't consider any PvP on a PvP server to be against the rules. Yeah it sucks sometimes but IMO not a violation.
I dont think anyone is arguing that such griefing is against the rules, but I suppose the question remains, why does BW tacitly support such actions?

Plenty of people enjoy PvP, but the only one who get any enjoyment out of griefing is the griefer who enjoys taking something away from others and giving others a bad day. Why is this somehow seen as ok?

I gotta say I think theres absolutely nothing wrong with the OPs suggestion that the Documentation Data drops as soon as you successfully spawn the Tauntaun. I may be wrong, but to my mind the people attacking the OP and dismissing his suggestion probably are the griefers who enjoy denying others their chance at the mount. Dropping immediately in no way impedes PvP, but it will certainly make the impact of the griefers far less - and that is precisely what they dont want.
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Stoofa
08.08.2013 , 02:34 AM | #43
You know - this whole thread just doesn't make sense.
Throughout the Gree event all we get is complaining from people who feel that they should be able to do the PvP aspects of the event without being attacked.
They even use the line "It should be fine on a PvP server - but I rolled on a PvE........"
Now we have people complaining about being attacked on a PvP server. Which part of "PvP Server" are people having an issue with?
On a PvP server you are attackable at any time. No zones, no having to flag yourself - you can be and will be attacked at any time.
SO you're being attacked on Hoth whilst trying to gain a new item. I'm sure there are other people who have been attacked whilst doing class missions - tough.
You chose to roll on a PvP server with your eyes fully open. You knew exactly what you were getting in to.
You cannot not start being selective as to if/when you can be attacked.

Seriously - this tor community is so damn infuriating.
In the eyes of some here just being attacked when they "don't want to be" is griefing.
No!
Being attacked when you don't want to be is a result of you being on a PvP server. Don't like it - pay your coin and transfer.

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midianlord
08.08.2013 , 02:46 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Stoofa View Post
You know - this whole thread just doesn't make sense.
Throughout the Gree event all we get is complaining from people who feel that they should be able to do the PvP aspects of the event without being attacked.
They even use the line "It should be fine on a PvP server - but I rolled on a PvE........"
Now we have people complaining about being attacked on a PvP server. Which part of "PvP Server" are people having an issue with?
On a PvP server you are attackable at any time. No zones, no having to flag yourself - you can be and will be attacked at any time.
SO you're being attacked on Hoth whilst trying to gain a new item. I'm sure there are other people who have been attacked whilst doing class missions - tough.
You chose to roll on a PvP server with your eyes fully open. You knew exactly what you were getting in to.
You cannot not start being selective as to if/when you can be attacked.

Seriously - this tor community is so damn infuriating.
In the eyes of some here just being attacked when they "don't want to be" is griefing.
No!
Being attacked when you don't want to be is a result of you being on a PvP server. Don't like it - pay your coin and transfer.
Carebears --the wrong kind, to which the pejorative use of that term applies-- are completely incapable of seeing beyond themselves and their perceived entitlements, however wrong-headed they may be. I've seen it in every single MMO out there.

Now tell me why this might not be the best mindset to bring into...a Massively Multiplayer On-line Role-Playing Game?
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bannsider
08.08.2013 , 03:01 AM | #45
you dont "need" an official answer to every question you have about the game

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Drudenfusz
08.08.2013 , 03:15 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by BaronV View Post
The OP clearly does not hate PvP. He hates griefing... and that bit about people being unable to distinguish between the two was clearly aimed at people with minds such as yours...
The problem is that what OP describes is not griefing on a PvP server. Attaching people while there are in a fight with a mob, attacking in larger numbers, attacking people when they want to drop a world boss, attacking people when they don't expect an attack (because you get a jump on them, with stealth or whatever), attacking them when they are at an disadvantage, all that is legit on a PvP server.

That doesn't mean it has to happen, I remember when I looked for the HK-51 parts with my main on Hoth, that an Imp and me searched almost side by side and when s/he finally found it I loted it too and we didn't started a fight, because neither of us was in the mood at that point, but I wouldn't have minded if I got there in a fight because those things can happen on a PvP server.

It's like with the pylon/bubble quest during the gree events, you can let decide to wait in line but you don't have to, the game has no rules for that and they are not needed. It's a PvP server, that means the option is there to use whenever one likes it, and even if that mean you blow up plenty of people maybe even of your own faction (and yes, with the achievements to kill bubble carriers I didn't minded to attack other Reps).

PvP server means fights can happen when it is not convenient at all for you, to play there means one has to accept that. To outlaw then certain aspects by calling them unfair, griefing, honourless, or whathaveyou means one has no clue what PvP means. So, Op should have roled on a PvE server where he can have controlled fair and save PvP, and where such behaviour could actually be considered griefing.
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discbox
08.08.2013 , 03:21 AM | #47
On the server Jar'Kai Sword you see those ganker only in the afternoon. In the evening there is no problem. I think the parents of those kids send them to sleep.

In the evening most time both factions stand around the nests peacefuly.

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Drudenfusz
08.08.2013 , 03:31 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by discbox View Post
On the server Jar'Kai Sword you see those ganker only in the afternoon. In the evening there is no problem. I think the parents of those kids send them to sleep.

In the evening most time both factions stand around the nests peacefuly.
Is there an achievement for killing people on Hoth? I should look into it, maybe I find a reason to start some troube in the evening... I mean your post is basically an inventation for troublemakers!

Don't worry, I currently have not the credits to buy there anything (I save my credits to buy the ewok companion, so I have no business on Hoth). Man, why am I always broke?
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Lana Everhope - The Drudenfusz Legacy, Shadow Tank on The Red Eclipse
When you play the game of PvP, you win or you die.
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AnAnonymousGuy
08.08.2013 , 03:53 AM | #49
OP, question:

Why did you roll on a PVP server if you didn't want Open World PVP?

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Qvasar
08.08.2013 , 04:22 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Shinzzun View Post
I see both Reps, and Imps standing around the Tauntaun nests and ONLY attacking people WHEN their taming is succesful
Because they lack the skill to 1vs1 the other player and wait until he is distracted by the Wampa. That's the only explanation I can come up with...
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