Juggernaut suggestions for our Representative

Ok so now that we have all pretty much discussed solutions to these issues I think we can all agree what our questions should be about. Now number 3 is the only tank question I could think off, because we are in a very good place at present. Now because each AC will get to rotate, we will effectively be given the opportunity to ask 6 questions, so It would be a good Idea to coordinate with the Guard rep to ensure we don't double up on questions.

Hold on Marb, while I personally commend you for stepping up and continuing the movement, I feel there is still much to be settled. I do agree that we should co-ordinate with the guardian counterparts, that is an excellent idea.

• PvE) Vengeance lives and dies by its rampage proc. The dps difference between a good proc streak and a bad one seems to vary significantly, with vengeance dps only topping out with some very good luck. We recognize that the proc makes our spec more dynamic and fun to play, but we would all prefer a little more consistency in our parses. Would you guys consider making some changes in order to make vengeance less reliant on pure luck?
  
  You are on the right track, but your question lacks specifics. I'd personally condense it and provide a link to our eventual "improved Rampage" proposal. We need to remember that these changes should be for both pvp and pve.
  
  
• PvP) Enraged Defense is an awkward cooldown when comparing its rage cost to its defensive benefits. In pvp, juggs feel that its not as effective as it should be when used as a defensive tool considering its very heavy rage cost (and pve juggs feel the threat drop component is not worth the rage cost to use it exclusively for that purpose). What is the intent behind the rage cost of Enraged Defense, and are there any plans to revisit its design? I tried to re-frame this question to be about pvp specifically to better fit the format that Bioware would prefer for the questions.
  
  
  Once again, I'd condense it and deliver specific links to our "Base Enraged Defense" version and the three updated versions of how "Enraged Defense" could work better for juggernaut pvp/pve gameplay, within each spec respectively.
  
  
  
• General) Juggernaut tanks are the only tank class that has to spend resources and a global cooldown to apply an aoe snare in the form of a separate ability; chilling scream. Many jugg tanks feel that applying an aoe snare is too costly when taking into account our melee range restrictions. We can spec to reduce its rage cost, but that still leaves the issue of its GCD. Is this design intentional? Would you guys consider re-thinking this in order to make chilling scream a more attractive ability for Immortal Juggernauts?
  
  
  Do we really want the Juggernaut dynamic to revolve around a request such as this? Sure, we could ask for 100 changes, but with no disrespect, "Chilling Scream" revamps are not a priority. We need to leave the third question open for more debate and worthwhile suggestions, otherwise rely on our Jedi counterparts.

The questions have to be general. I think you are misunderstanding. We are not supposed to be suggesting solutions to our issues. You want to specify how enraged defense should function, instead of explaining our concerns with its current implementation as it is in the game. I doubt armchair game design is what the goal of the class rep program is.

We can ask 1 PvE question, 1 PvP question and a general question. If you can think of a better general question, go for it.

Fair enough. Like I said, I've tried to assist as much as I could, and I see that even from my opening statement, the flow of the thread went fairly true to course.

My third topic would be also for the Vengeance tree's "Seething Hatred". It would include a request for this ability to be re-evaluated and to perhaps include a dps related change, or a synergy with an existing ability.

Going to lay out a small experiment/math lesson showing potential numbers over a 6 minute fight.

Juggernaut with 36,000 HP
Assassin with 37,000 HP

Juggernaut sonic barrier: effective healing every 12 sec = 1400-1500(will go with 1450). Over 6 minutes with 30 uses= 43,500
Enraged defense: for this experiment we will use 9% as an average. Over 6 minute fight with 8 uses = 25,920
Total = 69,420

Assassin force lightning heal of 8% used roughly every 15 seconds over a 6 minute fight with 24 uses = 71,040

Difference 71, 040-6,9420 = 1,620

If you add in endure pain every other enraged defense with 36000 HP the juggs number goes up by 3888

If you don't see a problem with the self healing, lower armor tank only healing 1,620 HP more once a immortal tank gets unrestricted use of enraged defense than you you have no sense at all. Especially when enrage is on the same 45 second cool down and is largely unneeded now to maintain rage. The use of one Assault gives you the 7 rage necessary to heal that 9% every 45 seconds. Just removing the threat reduction and leaving enraged defense as is will lead to this very outcome.

P.S. this isn't possible now with the number of taunt switches on the most difficult bosses in the game. The threat dump prevents it from happening. I'm all for giving the class a real threat dump, but enraged defense needs to be redesigned and given a long cool down for immortal if it is done.

The questions have to be general. I think you are misunderstanding. We are not supposed to be suggesting solutions to our issues. You want to specify how enraged defense should function, instead of explaining our concerns with its current implementation as it is in the game. I doubt armchair game design is what the goal of the class rep program is.

We can ask 1 PvE question, 1 PvP question and a general question. If you can think of a better general question, go for it.

This is the point I was trying to make earlier, and the questions you've formed are along the lines of what I was thinking.

The only thing I could add to the Vengeance question is that not only is the spec reliant on the Rampage proc, it also doesn't have a spammable ability that procs it like Mercs and PTs do with Barrage and PPA while maintaining a lower proc rate than either of those abilities as well.