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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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astrobearx
08.03.2013 , 11:50 AM | #2831
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
If BW/EA ever does allow AC change, this will be the primary argument made for Merc to Jugg,
not really as a merc and a pt share the same story , but a merc ang jugg dont.


you can make the argument and look like a idiot though, i wont stop you

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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 11:52 AM | #2832
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
It isn't class change. It is AC change. No one is asking for Trooper to Counselor. There are more similarities between AC's than there are differences, but you are too narrow minded to see that and cling to the argument that AC's are different classes just because one Dev said it a long time ago.
It wasn't "one Dev". It was all the mouthpieces for the project.

Daniel Erickson, wasn't simple a "dev". He was the Creative Director for the game, and at the same time the Lead Developer. He was kind of a big deal, not some random henchman turning a dial.

Stephan Reid also said that ACs were individual and separate CLASSES.

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Grayseven
08.03.2013 , 11:52 AM | #2833
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
That is your opinion. No one on your side of the aisle has presented a single valid argument for us either. That is how opinions work. Bring some facts of your own to the table before you make sweeping opinionated statements.

Here is a fact for you. It currently is the NORM in the MMO industry to NOT allow class changes. I am fairly certain that game developers and producers are much more plugged into what should and shouldn't be done than anyone posting here.
Not asking for class change. No one wants to be able to turn a Trooper into a Jedi Knight. We are talking AC change, where there are more similarities between the AC's than differences. Mostly because once people do a story arc once, they don't want to have to be bored to tears a second time around just to see what the other AC is like.

And there are no "norms" in the MMO industry. The industry is fluid even if a lot of the industry copy cats the 800 lb gorilla way more than they should...
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astrobearx
08.03.2013 , 11:54 AM | #2834
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post

Here is a fact for you. It currently is the NORM in the MMO industry to NOT allow class changes. I am fairly certain that game developers and producers are much more plugged into what should and shouldn't be done than anyone posting here.
well it isnt the norm you have full cinematic tree conversion in a mmo either. just because everyone and their mothers dont do something, doesnt mean you cant go outside the box....and rift does multi classes and multi spec.

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branmakmuffin
08.03.2013 , 11:55 AM | #2835
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
It wasn't "one Dev". It was all the mouthpieces for the project.

Daniel Erickson, wasn't simple a "dev". He was the Creative Director for the game, and at the same time the Lead Developer. He was kind of a big deal, not some random henchman turning a dial.

Stephan Reid also said that ACs were individual and separate CLASSES.
Again, you are resorting to the "They can't change it because it's always been this way" argument. They might very well not change it because it's always been that way, but that does not necessarily follow.

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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 11:55 AM | #2836
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
Not asking for class change. No one wants to be able to turn a Trooper into a Jedi Knight. We are talking AC change, where there are more similarities between the AC's than differences. Mostly because once people do a story arc once, they don't want to have to be bored to tears a second time around just to see what the other AC is like.

And there are no "norms" in the MMO industry. The industry is fluid even if a lot of the industry copy cats the 800 lb gorilla way more than they should...
That is what is currently being asked for. Once precedent is established things always go downhill. This entire conversation is a perfect example.

Since pre-Launch EVERYONE knew that ACs were permanent. But that doesn't stop anyone from requesting that that aspect of the game be altered. There is a point of critical mass, where if enough players adamantly want this feature then it will become reality.

The same holds true down the road when Merc to Jugg becomes the new issue of "choice", "happiness", "you don't pay their sub", "mind your business", and "how does it impact you".

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Grayseven
08.03.2013 , 11:55 AM | #2837
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
No one is ignoring that statement. In fact, Rat has pointed to it repeatedly by reminding everyone that that interview was conducted 9 months ago and not a single peep from the Staff has been made regarding that issue since then.
And the fact that a great number of statements about various issues were made once a long time ago and then ignored means that you don't have an argument there. Just because nothing has been said doesn't mean that it still isn't on the board. Like the SSSP.

The statement that AC were different classes was made much, much farther back and yet you still cling to that like a rat on a sinking ship...
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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 11:56 AM | #2838
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
And the fact that a great number of statements about various issues were made once a long time ago and then ignored means that you don't have an argument there. Just because nothing has been said doesn't mean that it still isn't on the board. Like the SSSP.

The statement that AC were different classes was made much, much farther back and yet you still cling to that like a rat on a sinking ship...
I have said repeatedly in this very thread that I would be open to AC swap if it is done right.

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TUXs
08.03.2013 , 11:56 AM | #2839
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
That is your opinion. No one on your side of the aisle has presented a single valid argument for us either. That is how opinions work. Bring some facts of your own to the table before you make sweeping opinionated statements.

Here is a fact for you. It currently is the NORM in the MMO industry to NOT allow class changes. I am fairly certain that game developers and producers are much more plugged into what should and shouldn't be done than anyone posting here.
ADVANCED CLASS - not Class. Stick to the topic.

Let me lay out my reasons for WANTING it:

- If someone wants to switch, they should be allowed to
- What AC I choose to play has NO impact on you
- MMOs are very fluid with class design - because of this, AC's should not be permanent
- The needs of the community are always in flux - AC change allows the community to meet the current demands
- More CHOICE is a good thing
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Grayseven
08.03.2013 , 11:58 AM | #2840
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
That is what is currently being asked for. Once precedent is established things always go downhill. This entire conversation is a perfect example.

Since pre-Launch EVERYONE knew that ACs were permanent. But that doesn't stop anyone from requesting that that aspect of the game be altered. There is a point of critical mass, where if enough players adamantly want this feature then it will become reality.

The same holds true down the road when Merc to Jugg becomes the new issue of "choice", "happiness", "you don't pay their sub", "mind your business", and "how does it impact you".
You know, if you don't have a better argument than "oh noes, this completely different and not at all identical request might happen" you should probably just give up. There is a huge difference between classes, minor differences between AC's. Your argument amounts to "if I cut down this tree, the sky will fall on me".
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