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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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PeterTLJr
08.03.2013 , 12:17 AM | #2751
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
At the end of the day, this argument comes down to time played vs subscription time (or maybe amount achieved).

Much of that is negated by the F2P model. You can level a toon (or many toons) as intended without ever really feeling the F2P restrictions. Believe me I know.

Oh snap, EK, how do you know?

MY first 4 toons were as follows: Merc, Operative, Warrior, Sorc. My next four were Sentinel, Shadow, Van, Slinger.

Up to this point (in my game life) everyone had these same options and choices. They could have inverted their ACs, but we were sub-based with 8 toons per server. I went this way, it made the most sense to me given the options I had.

Now, we are F2P and your toon slots are dependent upon how much $$/cr you put in the game.

It is no secret, I have little sympathy for those that want to AC respec. I did want to AC respec back in the day, but rather I leveled that AC to completion.

Leveling is NOT a challenge, nor is it time consuming. You can be level 50 prior to reaching 40 hours of game time. Is that so much to ask? I think not. 40 hours? No, sorry. Less than 40 hours and you want to respec? Sorry - not on my watch. Re-roll.
Leveling is not a challenge, atleast not to me, but thats not my issue, and I assume others are on the same boat. We have stuff on a character we dont want to leave behind and redo everything just for the other AC when in most other games, its an ingame change.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 12:26 AM | #2752
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Leveling is not a challenge, atleast not to me, but thats not my issue, and I assume others are on the same boat. We have stuff on a character we dont want to leave behind and redo everything just for the other AC when in most other games, its an ingame change.
So. Financially incentivize BW/EA to allow you to AC swap.

Keep in in mind that you are negating the opportunity for them to make money off of your ALTs.

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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 12:29 AM | #2753
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Leveling is not a challenge, atleast not to me, but thats not my issue, and I assume others are on the same boat.
You are 100% correct Neither leveling nor the time required are a true issue for anyone.

Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
We have stuff on a character we dont want to leave behind and redo everything just for the other AC when in most other games, its an ingame change.
List "most other games" that allow you to change your CLASS.

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PeterTLJr
08.03.2013 , 12:32 AM | #2754
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
So. Financially incentivize BW/EA to allow you to AC swap.

Keep in in mind that you are negating the opportunity for them to make money off of your ALTs.
But they are making money off me changing AC. If they are thinking about money, I'd assume (my opinion) they'd make more off people changing ACs then people spending money on alts of the same class just the other AC.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 12:35 AM | #2755
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
But they are making money off me changing AC. If they are thinking about money, I'd assume (my opinion) they'd make more off people changing ACs then people spending money on alts of the same class just the other AC.
You'd be wrong in your assumption. You're "main" can only collect *so* many armor collections from the CM. Your "main" only required "so many" outfits from the CM.

Your main is one of 12 possible standard subscription toons.

See where this goes?

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PeterTLJr
08.03.2013 , 12:36 AM | #2756
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
You are 100% correct Neither leveling nor the time required are a true issue for anyone.



List "most other games" that allow you to change your CLASS.
None. But I can go through other games that have the similar situation as this game biggest one being Rift. If you start out as a Warrior in rift, you then pick your Soul (which is similar to AC). And your able to switch between all the souls in the Warrior because your still the warrior. World of Warcraft is similar to how SWTOR is. You start out a paladin, at level 10 you pick what you want to be as that paladin, they just dont have as many skill trees as swtor does for each class.

Each game has their own unique way of going further into each class. In the majority of games your able to switch around within your base class. As long as its not CLASS switching, and switching ACs is not class switching.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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PeterTLJr
08.03.2013 , 12:38 AM | #2757
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
You'd be wrong in your assumption. You're "main" can only collect *so* many armor collections from the CM. Your "main" only required "so many" outfits from the CM.

Your main is one of 12 possible standard subscription toons.

See where this goes?
I do not see where this is going.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 12:39 AM | #2758
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
None. But I can go through other games that have the similar situation as this game biggest one being Rift. If you start out as a Warrior in rift, you then pick your Soul (which is similar to AC). And your able to switch between all the souls in the Warrior because your still the warrior. World of Warcraft is similar to how SWTOR is. You start out a paladin, at level 10 you pick what you want to be as that paladin, they just dont have as many skill trees as swtor does for each class.
Uhm no. Paladin is a Paladin. BH is not a Merc and BH is not a PT. Mercenary is not Powertech.

A Paly has 3 trees to choose from. Holy smokes a Powertech has 3 trees to choose from.

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PeterTLJr
08.03.2013 , 12:41 AM | #2759
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Uhm no. Paladin is a Paladin. Mercenary is not Powertech.

A Paly has 3 trees to choose from. Holy smokes a Powertech has 3 trees to choose from.
As a paladin, when you hit 10, you pick where you want to go, same as bounty hunter, and then you collect your unique abilities from going that route, then you gain the base class abilities. All paladins will have the base paladin spells, all bounty hunters will have the base bounty hunter spells, holy paladins will not have retribution spells, powertechs do not have mercenary spells.

Same concept.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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ekwalizer
08.03.2013 , 12:43 AM | #2760
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
As a paladin, when you hit 10, you pick where you want to go, same as bounty hunter, and then you collect your unique abilities from going that route, then you gain the base class abilities. All paladins will have the base paladin spells, all bounty hunters will have the base bounty hunter spells, holy paladins will not have retribution spells, powertechs do not have mercenary spells.
I'm sorry, no. Paladin is a CLASS.
Mercenary is a CLASS
Powertech is a CLASS.

Merc and PT share a STORY, some skills and Companions.

That is where the similarities end.