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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Ratajack
08.01.2013 , 08:02 PM | #2671
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Fine. Let people not pick one. I doubt it's much of an issue as it is, so fine. I was trying to avoid group issues is all.
What about the people who wish to avoid group issues by asking that BW not increase the numbers of people who have no idea how to play their class which is what would happen if class changes were allowed? Are their desires any less valid than your desire to avoid group issues by forcing a mandatory AC pick at level 10?

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astrobearx
08.02.2013 , 07:06 AM | #2672
Quote: Originally Posted by Jimvinny View Post
If you think the reason to allow it is simply that players want it, I'll counter with this; It should not be allowed, because there are lots of players that DON'T want it.
what a weak *** reasoning to not allow AC change.

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Spatology
08.02.2013 , 07:14 AM | #2673
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Clearly you get your exercise jumping to conclusions. "Offense" is not even remotely applicable, here.


If you want to roll up a new character and "work hard" to level it and someone else wants to pay CCs to switch to the other AC (should that ever become available), why do you care? How does it affect you? No can has answered and no one can answer that question reasonably. If if helps you sleep at night to smugly refer to "pro-AC changers" as lazy, enjoy your pettiness.
You aren't the first to ask this question, read the thread for your answer. Also, I'm not smug, I'm sure you take it that way. Regardless, wanting things without putting in effort that others have for said thing is the epitome of lazy. No more approprite adjective comes to mind for this situation.

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Ratajack
08.02.2013 , 07:17 AM | #2674
Quote: Originally Posted by astrobearx View Post
what a weak *** reasoning to not allow AC change.
News flash.

"People want it" isn't exactly a strong reason.

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astrobearx
08.02.2013 , 07:32 AM | #2675
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
News flash.

"People want it" isn't exactly a strong reason.
neither is "we dont want it just because we dont like it", both is a incredibly a weak reason to (not) allow AC change and only stems from personal biases.

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Grayseven
08.02.2013 , 07:59 AM | #2676
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
What about the people who wish to avoid group issues by asking that BW not increase the numbers of people who have no idea how to play their class which is what would happen if class changes were allowed? Are their desires any less valid than your desire to avoid group issues by forcing a mandatory AC pick at level 10?
How do you figure? None of these classes are rocket science and what would happen if someone changed their AC would be that they'd have a short learning period (one easily mitigated by the Dulfy guides) and then they'd be playing their new AC just as well as their old one.

There wouldn't be any group issue above and beyond those we have now. People who don't know how to play their current AC wouldn't know how to play a new one, people who know how to play one would easily know how to play the other...
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TUXs
08.02.2013 , 08:03 AM | #2677
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
As for an online game where your class defines your role, that is the case in almost every MMO. Why should the WOW player who chose to roll a priest and later realizes they prefer druid healing not be able to change to his class to druid? After all, he made that mistake of choosing priest early, even before level 1. Why should that mistake haunt him forever if the needs of the community are always in flux? Is it possibly because allowing class changes holds the potential for more negative impacts than positive? Is it possibly because allowing class changes is an unwritten "no-no" in MMO's?
What the hell does W0W have to do with anything? Roles are already interchangeable with respecs. What "negative" Rat??? WHAT NEGATIVE are you talking about? Give me one...I've asked you at least 4 times now and you have NO VALID ARGUMENT against it. NONE!
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
What about the people who wish to avoid group issues by asking that BW not increase the numbers of people who have no idea how to play their class which is what would happen if class changes were allowed? Are their desires any less valid than your desire to avoid group issues by forcing a mandatory AC pick at level 10?
Ah! You're scared. I can understand that, but there are already plenty of players at 55 who have no flipping clue how to play their class. If you're afraid you'll get grouped with one of them, solo stuff or run with folks you know. Problem solved. This is no different than returning players not having any clue how their class worked...they'll learn.

And yes. The mandatory AC pick at 10 was because picking an AC (ANY AC) improves your characters group functionality. Which AC you pick isn't important, but picking one DOES improve group play. But like I said, screw it. Let it be as it is. It's easy to see if someone hasn't picked one so let the community police itself on that one...it's a non-issue.
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Soluss
08.02.2013 , 12:06 PM | #2678
Get rid of AC altogether. Pick your class at level 1. Problem solved.
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TridusSWTOR
08.02.2013 , 12:18 PM | #2679
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
News flash.

"People want it" isn't exactly a strong reason.
News Flash:

You are given a choice not to do an AC change but other players can if they wish to do so, since well...you don't pay their sub now do you?

Pro-AC change offers choice.

You offer no choice, only put self-rules in place to restrict other players game experience.

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Grayseven
08.02.2013 , 12:19 PM | #2680
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Get rid of AC altogether. Pick your class at level 1. Problem solved.
Well, to be honest BW brought this on them selves by splitting classes into two similar subclasses instead of just making 8 unique classes. We wouldn't even have this discussion if so much of the "base" class wasn't shared by both sub-classes.

Unfortunately, there ARE enough similarities to justify allowing AC changing, if for no other reason than for players to take a favored character that they put a lot of effort into or consider their "main" and switch to the other spec that may be more suited to their play style.

It is pretty hard to get a good feel for how well you mesh with a play style until you actually hit 50/55 and get it's full potential. Some people might prefer the Trooper over the Counselor but be unsure if they should go Commando or Trooper and if they pick wrong they might not find out how wrong until after they've put a ton of time into it.

I do not advocate allowing AC change as willy-nilly as spec change, but I do think people should get a chance to change their mind without having to start all over from the beginning.
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