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SuperGrunt
07.31.2013 , 10:59 AM | #361
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
Well, it does automagically allow you to wear Purple level gear mods.
Actually as someone who spent almost 2 months as Preferred I can state with confidence that there is an Unlock that allows you to always wear that gear. People that want to make money and have more disposable income tend to buy some Cartel Coins and sell the stuff from it on the GTN. Go to the GTN, look at the Cartel Market > Unlocks and search for Artifact Authorization. I bought a single character one for my Sorc for less than 100k credits, and then when I saved up some money on my Merc got some Escrow Transfer items and bought the Account Wide version for about 650k if I remember correctly.
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DarthTHC
07.31.2013 , 11:10 AM | #362
You know, there might be something to this "Pay to Win" thing after all...

I mean, I paid for the game and then I've paid for a subscription ever since the game went live and I'd say I've "won" a bunch.
  • I have completed all the stories for all the classes.
  • I have a couple characters who can demolish any solo and H2 content the game has to offer.
  • I have characters who can easily handle any HM FP in the game (with a non-brain-ded group of course).
  • I have a crapton more credits than I'll ever need to spend.
  • I had a lot of fun for ~18 months and counting.

I paid. I won. WHEE!

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SuperGrunt
07.31.2013 , 11:13 AM | #363
Quote: Originally Posted by ElitehunterDS View Post
The irony is that i find the restriction not too bad enough for me to still pay a sub, not to mention no content that i got with my sub since... well.. 1.7? (i dont count recycled content as content, sorry) No class balance except every 6-9 months, F2P restriction arent that bad when you look at it, doesnt mean i will play tho, nothing to keep my attention on the game anymore.
No class balance? Ok not sure if you mean that there are too many of one class running around or if you think that one class or another is OP, but it's not the Developers job to control the amount of any given class on any given server, and as to the class balance from a game play standard. This MMO has probably the most balanced classes in all of MMOs. If you need some examples I would be more than happy to explain my experiences with you.

RIFT : The new callings are far more powerful at just about every level, including Warriors getting Plate armor and instant Ranged Mage type abilities.

WoW : Warlocks are, and have been so OP it's not even funny, while Hunters a far more complex class to play have to be content with sub par DPS. One time Ghostcrawler even once acknowledged that Warlock was doing too much DPS, the patch notes the next day buffed Warlocks.

EVE Online : It takes about 2 months of logging in daily to queue up new skills to learn just to be useful at anything in a MMO without levels, and even when you do spend those 2 months of sucking after that you still have to realize that someone who started at launch and has played it safe with clones and such will have far more Skill Points than you will ever be able to get.

SWG : Yes it's no longer available but it's still in our hearts so I will include it here as well. The only part of it that was even close to balanced was Space. The ground game had a new Flavor of the Month Profession every month, and it was normally the one that was just buffed, and the profession that got debuffed, stay away from that one b/c you would have problems killing NPCs without a group.
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OldRepJedi
07.31.2013 , 03:35 PM | #364
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post

Yeah. The fact that so many subscribers complain about the F2P restrictions just exemplifies that what they want is sub access at F2P prices.

Could they get any more greedy and self-indulgent as players? It's ironic that these same people label Bioware as "greedy"
This I agree with fully. f2p players get a taste of what the game is like with limited functions and the they want the whole thing for free. If you they feel it is that good...subscribe. They won't regret it.
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Drew_Braxton
07.31.2013 , 03:54 PM | #365
swtor definitely isn't pay to win. If you ever played evony, mobsters, or similar games and saw people drop $10,000 easy to become top dog, made man, etc then you know some restrictions, pay for fluff, and pay for style isn't anywhere close to pay to win.

I have always subscribed, but I have a tier 2 friend who plays on and off as a free to play and we've done just about everything together and he didn't have any complaints about restrictions on free players.
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Propane
07.31.2013 , 05:03 PM | #366
Quote: Originally Posted by Drew_Braxton View Post
swtor definitely isn't pay to win. If you ever played evony, mobsters, or similar games and saw people drop $10,000 easy to become top dog, made man, etc then you know some restrictions, pay for fluff, and pay for style isn't anywhere close to pay to win.

I have always subscribed, but I have a tier 2 friend who plays on and off as a free to play and we've done just about everything together and he didn't have any complaints about restrictions on free players.
SWTOR pay for MMO aspects of the game. Otherwise you are a trial for the MMO parts.

As a Free player you get these amazing deals:

Pay to be able to use the best armor in the game.
PvP restrictions (you can pay to get more but still cannot participate in Ranked)
Pay for a reskinned human
Trial mode for Raids (you can pay to get more)
Trial mode for Flashpoints (you can pay to get more)
Pay to be able to quick travel (you can pay to get more)
Pay to be able to get something out of the Customer Support (F2Pers' only customer support is the FAQ section)
Pay to be able to expand your inventory (because F2Pers have to pay with Cartel Coins instead of creds.)
Pay to be able to sell and craft efficiently.
Pay to be able to use a secure trade.
Pay to be able to get past 200k creds.
Pay to level faster (exp scales faster with subs)


No excuse me while I reap the rewards of buying the game $60 at launch (while being a tester) PREMIUM MODE!!!
These are my rewards for supporting EA and SWTOR:

PvP restrictions (you can pay to get more but still cannot participate in Ranked)
Pay for a reskinned human
Trial mode for Raids (you can pay to get more)
Trial mode for Flashpoints (you can pay to get more)
Pay to be able to quick travel (you can pay to get more)
Pay to be able to get something out of the Customer Support (F2Pers' only customer support is the FAQ section)
Pay to be able to expand your inventory (because F2Pers have to pay with Cartel Coins instead of creds.)
Pay to be able to sell and craft efficiently.
Pay to be able to use a secure trade.
Pay to be able to get past 200k creds.
Pay to level faster (exp scales faster with subs)

Good thing I got that founders title, that I can't even use until I continue to support EA again.

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chuixupu
07.31.2013 , 05:28 PM | #367
Congratulations, you now understand why subscribing is better. At least until you save up enough credits to buy all the unlocks and then drop down. If you're not a raider you can play on the cheap pretty easily.
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Propane
07.31.2013 , 05:34 PM | #368
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Congratulations, you know understand why subscribing is better. At least until you save up enough credits to buy all the unlocks and then drop down. If you're not a raider you can play on the cheap pretty easily.
Go 1-50 without paying for anything unsubbed - go tell me how much fun you are having.

When you are unsubbed make sure you come back here and post your progress! Oh wait...

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Propane
07.31.2013 , 05:35 PM | #369
"Just Pay to avoid the onslaught of restrictions."

/logic

Well they have a point, EAware isn't going to change this anytime soon - they don't give 1 single molecule of **** of how their customers feel. And the players of SWTOR leave NO criticism, it's always - this model is perfect and has 0% flaws!


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chuixupu
07.31.2013 , 05:49 PM | #370
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Go 1-50 without paying for anything unsubbed - go tell me how much fun you are having.

When you are unsubbed make sure you come back here and post your progress! Oh wait...

Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Congratulations, you now understand why subscribing is better.
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